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Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Boeing desperately needs to end up like Takata: fined 250% of their annual EBIT, forcing them to go out of business due to inability to pay their fines, with their assets getting acquired by a random competitor.

It seems that it’s been decided that Boeing, as one of the only large passenger aircraft manufacturers in the world, is too important to our national economy and security to fine out of business.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

#52
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes the issues with the 737 Max 8 are significant. Major malfunctions are not the norm on airlines.

I don't think the lost tyre qualifies for a major malfunction, and the greenery excursion might well be pilot error. The engine fire I'm not sure about, it being a 21yo plane. Give the NTSB some time for proper reports...

> I don't think the lost tyre qualifies for a major malfunction,

a tyre dropping off in such a way that it could have easily killed several people doesn't count as a major malfunction to you?

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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post #7

Accounts on twitter claiming to have been on the airplane recounted that the aircraft went off the runway first, and that the gear failure, if there was one, happened after the plane left the runway. "737 Max suffers landing gear failure" is a sexy headline but it may be prudent to wait for a bit more information before jumping to too many conclusions - just because Boeing is fresh in everyone's minds. Wild speculati…

I came here to basically say "maybe this is a United problem not a Boeing problem."

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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All three of the incidents referenced in the lede were United Airlines flights, and to my uninformed eyes seem just as likely to be maintenance issues as manufacturing ones. Boeing is in the title because it understandably gets a lot of clicks lately, but in this case I wouldn't be surprised if these are a sign of bad maintenance on United planes.

If Boeing releases maintenance guidelines for a framistat, United Airlines will work towards those numbers. UA wouldn't double Boeing's framistat-related downtime guidelines without a really good reason, and this might lead to bad results if Boeing is wrong.

I'm not suggesting this wasn't UA's fault, I'm saying the nature of fault is complicated and currently unidentified.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the lost tyre qualifies for a major malfunction, and the greenery excursion might well be pilot error. The engine fire I'm not sure about, it being a 21yo plane. Give the NTSB some time for proper reports...

> I don't think the lost tyre qualifies for a major malfunction, a tyre dropping off in such a way that it could have easily killed several people doesn't count as a major malfunction to you?

if it went into the grass and the tire fell off that is a bit of a different situation. the landing gear is not meant to stay attached to the plane in all scenarios at all costs, and a 737 is not supposed to be an off road vehicle

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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Came to HN to see if there was any stories regarding the tyre/wheel falling off the Boeing 777 yesterday and find the story on a 737 MAX incident. Whether or not either of these incidents are Boeing's fault doesn't matter. Their public image has been destroyed.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes the issues with the 737 Max 8 are significant. Major malfunctions are not the norm on airlines.

I don't think the lost tyre qualifies for a major malfunction, and the greenery excursion might well be pilot error. The engine fire I'm not sure about, it being a 21yo plane. Give the NTSB some time for proper reports...

People keep saying tire, but the whole wheel came off. Still likely maintenance/inspection related.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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> Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway This title implies an order of events that is wrong. It exited the runway likely too fast, went down a small grass embankment, and only then did the [left] "Landing gear fail." See pictures here: https://avherald.com/h?article=515e3618&opt=0 The article's actual title is more helpful: > Boeing 737 Max 8 ran off Texas runway into grass This happens semi-r…

I had no idea air traffic control recordings were public! "Interesting recordings" are available for download here: https://www.liveatc.net/recordings.php Direct mp3 link for the incident in question: https://forums.liveatc.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1...

The formal recordings aren't. LiveATC recordings are provided by enthusiasts via scanners/SDRs set up near airports for the most part.

Re: Boeing 737 MAX suffers landing gear failure, rolls off runway

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How is it even still legal to operate 737 Max after all its failures? Is Boeing lobbying or something?

What do you imagine is the alternative? Would you prefer people to drive? Because if so that’s a great way to get them killed.
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