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Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

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Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#31

I don't understand the hate for TSA. Sure, it can be better. But does anyone dare board a plane when none of the passengers have been screened?

Why not? Are you afraid of riding a train, since none of the passengers have been screened?

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#33

How many terrorists does any of the security theatre measures catch on a given day? One, ten, one hundred, one thousand? $20 says it's zero. How many bellicose self righteous idiots get through every day? Probably 10. Which causes more problems?

There's a detterence factor in play. Terrorists won't try to get through precisely because of the intense security.

Six people each bring 50ml tooth paste on a plane, after take off, they combine it to 300ml. What are you gonna do.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#34

I don't understand the hate for TSA. Sure, it can be better. But does anyone dare board a plane when none of the passengers have been screened?

Security was handled (owned) by airports since the dawn of time. Airports with high risk (JFK) had higher security, airports with lower security (SAT). Airports hired typical staff from the local community and you would go through a metal detector and someone would X-Ray your luggage to make sure there were no obvious bombs in there. Your family could meet you at the gate.

Originally when the TSA was invented, airports were allowed to do their own security, TSA was optional. Now, airports that already have TSA are not allowed to provide their own security, it is mandatory they hire federal union employees.

WHY is it necessary for municipal airports to hire federal union employees? Airports know their own local risk factor and can adequately manage those employees. Airports want their passengers to have a good experience, so that they come back. This is why they pay big bucks for rennovations, why they have the bad-ok-good-better-best colored buttons in the restrooms and everything else.

The airport has virtually no control over the staff running security. They can't overschedule employees for busy times and holidays, they're beholden to what the TSA does.

And yeah, they do regular tests of the TSA to see how much contraband they can slip past security. TSA regularly fails these tests/audits.

The rest of the world does not deal with the level of security as american airports, and nobody else is having problems. US airports are still running at/above 9/11 security levels... why? In most countries you aren't required to take off your shoes or walk through anything more invasive than a simple metal detector.

1. Abolish the TSA. Allow local airports to hire and manage their own staff (currently not allowed) 2. Adjust minimum standards up and down based on current thread level (don't force people wearing flip flops to take off their shoes)

TSA was a huge mistake and is absolutely security theater. Every other country in the world does a better job of managing risk at airports than the US.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#35

I don't understand the hate for TSA. Sure, it can be better. But does anyone dare board a plane when none of the passengers have been screened?

We…we did. For 87 years of air travel we did. Went pretty darn good. People seemed to have fun with it. They even looked forward to flights. What an odd comment.

I flew the final 6 years of that period and enjoyed flying. Post-9/11 flying sucks and is a huge drag. If you're too young to have experienced pre-9/11 airports then you really don't know what you're missing. When I was little they let me see the cockpit in flight, and the flight attendants would bring me little snacks on late flights.

It was a totally different experience versus being crammed into a flying bus.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#36

I don't understand the hate for TSA. Sure, it can be better. But does anyone dare board a plane when none of the passengers have been screened?

I remember flying pre-9/11. There was still a security checkpoint with metal detectors. It was run by the airport instead of the feds.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#37

I'm not convinced the TSA is needed to stop terrorism, but it probably helps a good deal with protecting passengers from ordinary psychotic Americans, of which there seem to be a significant increase over the last 20 or so years.

Ordinary psychotic Americans who get upset at me if I ask if I need to take my computer out and put it in a bin? Not sure it’s doing a good job at that.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a detterence factor in play. Terrorists won't try to get through precisely because of the intense security.

If there were terrorists, they would just open fire on the crowded security checkpoints and kill hundreds of people without any complex scheme. This doesn't happen because there is no terrorist threat we need to be on guard against.

If it's so obvious, then why didn't this happen on 9/11?

Edit: I'm aware that the TSA was created after 9/11. The point I'm making is that it's possible they were able to bring weapons aboard to hijack the planes because security was so lax.

Re: Can We Just Throw in the Towel on Airport Security Theater Already?

#39

I don't understand the hate for TSA. Sure, it can be better. But does anyone dare board a plane when none of the passengers have been screened?

Absolutely I would. Most other countries have little or no screening and are just fine.

It's not a realistic risk to be concerned about... it's just not worth the hassle trying to mitigate something that is orders of magnitude less of a deal than other easier to mitigate risks.

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