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Apple really trying to be the asshole here. Imagine installing work apps that disappear after 30 days.. Also what happens if the user chooses not to share their live location with apple?
Or someone will inevitably create an app that will do this automatically & indefinitely.
How long before EU ask FAANG to "split or don't make business here anymore"? US won't ever do that because of all the lobbying, but EU might, no?
Not a credible threat. There would be millions of people in the streets if Facebook/Whatsapp/Google were blocked due to EU regulations.
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a stipulation that it applies to people who live or are located in the EU if i travel to leave the EU for longer than 30 days, do i no longer live in the EU? according to tax law, i am considered living in the EU as long as i spend at least 6 months per year there. so by that metric, the feature should be available for at least 6 months after leaving the EU.
you still live in the EU. But the second you step out of EU, EU laws stop applying to you.
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So British laws apply in Iranian embassy in London? No they don't
Proof? The embassy operates within the UK and must respect British laws, but the UK authorities have limited rights to enter the embassy premises or exert jurisdiction over those premises without permission from the embassy's country (Iran, in this case). For criminal matters or serious breaches of law, the host country and the embassy's country typically engage in diplomatic discussions to resolve the issue.
For example see Saudis killing journalist in their own embassy. Who was punished? Nobody, because it is Saudi's territory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashog...
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Unless I misunderstand, the apps still work? They just can't be updated after 30 days and you can't install new apps from the third party stores.
No, you understand it correctly. People are just being dramatic because they’re not getting what they want. The DMA doesn’t even stipulate a 30 day provision, just a stipulation that it applies to people who live or are located in the EU. There’s a bit of wiggle room on how to read that (i.e., people who live in the EU, people who are located in the EU, people who live or are located in the EU) and Apple chose the mi…
I hope this malicious approach will indeed be settled before the CJEU... with a hefty fine.
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Does one cease to be an EU resident or citizen if traveling abroad for more than 30 days?
no.. but EU laws only apply to EU territories. the second you step out of EU, EU laws stop applying to you and the laws from whatever country you are in the moment start applying.
IIUC this is a deliberate act of aggression by Apple - which is important to note. Apple already has regional accounts, so the infrastructure for this is in place already, for preexisting reasons. My Apple ID is still within US after months of being in the EU. They have not “kicked me out” yet. There’s no other way than to interpret this, and the preceding actions by Apple, as a temper tantrum of malicious compliance…
>[...]this is a deliberate act of aggression by Apple [...] >There’s no other way than to interpret this, and the preceding actions by Apple, as a temper tantrum of malicious compliance [...] While it's pretty clear that most people here would have liked it if Apple rolled out third party app stores to everyone and were hoping that EU regulations would extend to non-EU users (like with USB-C charging port standard),…
EU law applies to Apple or its subsidiaries operating in Europe. As long as Apple itself stays within EU borders, the law applies to them. It stops applying to them when they exit the EU market. The third parties (including EU citizens) mentioned within the text of the regulation do not define the applicability of the law itself.
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When using a EU sim your traffic will still go trough the EU server. But the EU laws stop applying at the border. The third-party stores are there because of a EU law that does not apply on any other country. If they wanted they could make the store stop working the minute you step out of the EU and they would still be following the law.
What belies this is the fact that they do this differently for the specific intersection of the EU and the app store than they do for any of the many other long standing geofenced functions.
Apple stance is that they are against third-party stores and that they will not have it available unless they are forced to.
only place where they are forced to make third-party stores available is EU, so that is the only place where they will be available.
How generous of them not to brick your phone once you install any unapproved software It's almost like monopolies are bad for society
iOS isn't even the #1 mobile operating system in the EU. Even in countries where it's the majority, it caps out at around 60%. Characterizing that as a "monopoly" is absurd.
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you still live in the EU. But the second you step out of EU, EU laws stop applying to you.
since i still have to pay taxes, that is obviously false.
On the other hand, i am a EU citizen that live abroad and i do not pay any taxes in EU.. Unless i am visiting when i have to pay sales and services taxes..
But i pay taxes in the country i live, and i have to do it even for income i earned abroad..
And sure, there are some countries that make you pay income taxes if you are a citizen even when you live and have income abroad, like the US, but one could argue that you still have access to government services even while living abroad and those are paid via taxes.
this does not change the fact EU laws stop applying when you leave and restart applying when you come back..