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Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by bombcar »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #65
CharlesW wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> …I've been waiting for a small form factor with an integrated power supply and a bunch of NVMe slots. Does that exist yet? Have you considered using a NAS as your homelab? I run a few containers (no VMs yet, although I can) and just do that on my QNAP. The TBS-h574TX ( https://www.qnap.com/en-us/product/tbs-h574tx ) has five E1.S/M.2 slots. The HS-453DX-8G has two SATA 3.5-inch drive bays and two M.2 2280 SATA SSD…

These NASbooks are sooooo close to what I want! My problem is that none of them have an internal power supply. They all require a power adapter that's decidedly less easy to source than an IEC cord. I have had 3 separate experiences where I give someone instructions to grab a box and the power adapter... and they show up with the box and without the power adapter (or with a power adapter in a box of similar power ada…

It's harder and harder to find small computers with internal power, because they've found that nobody counts the power brick in the "size" (remember the original Xbox?).

The best bet might be to wait until they've all finalized on USB-C.

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Post by lolinder »

simoncion wrote: post #63
latentcall wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes agree with this. On the Homelab subreddit I’ve seen people suggest it as a bad thing if someone’s wife isn’t okay with a mess of wires accompanying a rack mount server and some other older PC’s located in a living room. They then proceed to question the posters “manliness” (in other words) for suggesting they plan on cleaning it up or moving it. Anyways to your original point I feel as if online people feel like…

> ...I feel as if online people feel like marriage is a bunch of negative compromises that are always one sided or something. Bitching about the negative things in life with one's buddies is an activity that stretches back for hundreds of years, if not for as long as we've had language. It's a bonding activity, and an essential one. The big difference between -say- the 1980s and now is that one's buddies often congre…

It's not just that the posts are public, it's also that some unknown portion of your "buddies" on a place like Reddit or HN are actually female.

Slightly misogynistic jokes with a group of male friends who know you and know your SO (and presumably know how your relationship with her actually is) land completely differently than the same jokes in an anonymous online forum.

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by xandrius »

latentcall wrote: post #55
ellieh wrote: post #36

Can we stop with all the "homelab in living room = divorce", "one less closet = unhappy wife" etc jokes? Reminds me of all the "so simple your could use it" comments on older tech product advertising. Just smells of yet more boys club humour that adds to the difficulty of including women in the hobby + industry. It's the small jokes that we're supposed to just quietly smile along with, as well as the big, that cause…

Yes agree with this. On the Homelab subreddit I’ve seen people suggest it as a bad thing if someone’s wife isn’t okay with a mess of wires accompanying a rack mount server and some other older PC’s located in a living room. They then proceed to question the posters “manliness” (in other words) for suggesting they plan on cleaning it up or moving it. Anyways to your original point I feel as if online people feel like…

Then, honey, I shall put the homelab in the bedroom!

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by bombcar »

simoncion wrote: post #44
AnarchismIsCool wrote: post #13

I know it's becoming the new "I use arch btw" meme but if you go down this route I highly recommend using nix as the distro. Ideally you can just leave these systems running once they're working and using nix means all your system state is logged in git. No more "wait, how did I fix that thing 6mo ago?" or having to manually put the system back together after a Ubuntu dist upgrade explodes. Every change you've made,…

> ...or having to manually put the system back together after a Ubuntu dist upgrade explodes. I avoid this by running Gentoo Linux on my Linux machines. I've heard people say good things about Arch, but I've never used it. Ubuntu is just bad... I say this as someone who used Ubuntu for a few years waaay back when (and was _really_ pleased that I finally could recommend a reliably, easy-to-use Linux distro to nontechn…

Agreed - I'm willing to use Ubuntu LTS on servers that are basically glorified LAMP machines (LCMP?) - but for home servers, nothing has beat Gentoo, not only for the full understanding of "what I have" but also having direct control over what I've got running, including quite a bit of customizability if needed.

Gentoo on ZFS is kinda nice.

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Post by justinclift »

NegativeK wrote: post #68
justinclift wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a standard PC tower will be more power efficient How much does it average in power draw (watts) from the wall?

I can't speak to if it's more or less efficient, but I have one PC taking backups that's running at 43W idle. A different PC based server, which is a much more highly specced retired desktop, is running at 72W idle.

For standard PC's (ie with ATX based power supply) the 43W one seems pretty decent at idle.

The small form factor gear though can have much more efficient power supplies, so some of those reportedly idle as low as 6w. That's total power draw at the wall. Much more efficient than a standard desktop PC.

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That aside, apparently that newer 12 volt power supply standard being pushed by Intel is good for lower power idle too. Hopefully that gains traction and reduces everyone's power bills. :)

https://hackaday.com/2021/06/07/intels-atx12vo-standard-a-st...

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ellieh wrote: post #36

Can we stop with all the "homelab in living room = divorce", "one less closet = unhappy wife" etc jokes? Reminds me of all the "so simple your could use it" comments on older tech product advertising. Just smells of yet more boys club humour that adds to the difficulty of including women in the hobby + industry. It's the small jokes that we're supposed to just quietly smile along with, as well as the big, that cause…

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Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by durandal1 »

ellieh wrote: post #36

Can we stop with all the "homelab in living room = divorce", "one less closet = unhappy wife" etc jokes? Reminds me of all the "so simple your could use it" comments on older tech product advertising. Just smells of yet more boys club humour that adds to the difficulty of including women in the hobby + industry. It's the small jokes that we're supposed to just quietly smile along with, as well as the big, that cause…

I generally agree, I really do. However, I also feel that the entire article shares a very personal perspective of running a home lab - and that personal perspective is probably having a wife which sometimes gets annoyed by blinky stuff in plain sight. And when we remove that personal perspective, we also lose..personality which I desperately appreciate in a world where most things are hyper professional and polished to the point where it feels...soulless and bland.

I would would have have no problem reading an article which makes jokes about the husband being driven to insanity by home server, I would have appreciated the diversity of perspective.

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by tivert »

> Attic

> Pros: Less noise, easier cable runs.

> Cons: can get hot depending on where you live, roof leaks, humidity/condensation, and creepy at night.

Where do attics not get hot? I live in northern climate, and ours regularly gets hotter than 140F during sunny summer days.

And I say hotter, because the remote temp sensor I have up there maxes out at 140F. I wouldn't be surprised if it actually gets up to 150F or more.

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