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Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by jpsouth »

remram wrote: post #48
dijit wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, actually, but "wife-acceptance-factor"[0] (or; "wife approved") is useful terminology; I would love if there was some colloquially acceptable gender neutral term for that. Some have suggested some truly cumbersome terminology to replace it which is unfortunate because you very quickly run into the same problem the vegans have: If your choices are too unpalatable then reasonable people (who don't care or shar…

Replace with "partner" or "spouse"? Why is that not good enough?

Happy spouse, happy house.

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by crtasm »

remram wrote: post #53
ellieh wrote: post #36

Can we stop with all the "homelab in living room = divorce", "one less closet = unhappy wife" etc jokes? Reminds me of all the "so simple your could use it" comments on older tech product advertising. Just smells of yet more boys club humour that adds to the difficulty of including women in the hobby + industry. It's the small jokes that we're supposed to just quietly smile along with, as well as the big, that cause…

I agree with you in principle, but in this case the author is describing their own situation. They do have a wife, I'm not sure they should be required to remove the gender of that actual person.

It's a "guide for beginners" offering advice to people in general, not just a post about their specific situation.

>Here’s a quick list of Pros vs. Cons I’ve compiled to get us thinking about all the possible home lab locations. Choose wisely.

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by simoncion »

latentcall wrote: post #55
ellieh wrote: post #36

Can we stop with all the "homelab in living room = divorce", "one less closet = unhappy wife" etc jokes? Reminds me of all the "so simple your could use it" comments on older tech product advertising. Just smells of yet more boys club humour that adds to the difficulty of including women in the hobby + industry. It's the small jokes that we're supposed to just quietly smile along with, as well as the big, that cause…

Yes agree with this. On the Homelab subreddit I’ve seen people suggest it as a bad thing if someone’s wife isn’t okay with a mess of wires accompanying a rack mount server and some other older PC’s located in a living room. They then proceed to question the posters “manliness” (in other words) for suggesting they plan on cleaning it up or moving it. Anyways to your original point I feel as if online people feel like…

> ...I feel as if online people feel like marriage is a bunch of negative compromises that are always one sided or something.

Bitching about the negative things in life with one's buddies is an activity that stretches back for hundreds of years, if not for as long as we've had language. It's a bonding activity, and an essential one.

The big difference between -say- the 1980s and now is that one's buddies often congregate in clubhouses that post their conversations publicly, rather than just shooting the shit verbally. So, folks "these days" get to see how much convivial bitching between buddies there actually is out there, rather than being blissfully unaware of it.

Yes, there are certainly folks who are dreadfully serious about their complaints and hate their SO with a burning passion or whatever... but those folks are certainly in the minority of complainers.

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by NewJazz »

kiney wrote: post #60
AnarchismIsCool wrote: post #13

I know it's becoming the new "I use arch btw" meme but if you go down this route I highly recommend using nix as the distro. Ideally you can just leave these systems running once they're working and using nix means all your system state is logged in git. No more "wait, how did I fix that thing 6mo ago?" or having to manually put the system back together after a Ubuntu dist upgrade explodes. Every change you've made,…

Ansible code in git solves the same problem for ANY distro

Once you stop templating yaml you will never go back.

Seriously as someone who has used ansible a lot and nix a bit, I'd take NixOS over Ansible+Debian/Fedora any day.

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by smallmancontrov »

CharlesW wrote: post #35
smallmancontrov wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been thinking about upgrading my current "homelab" (just an old PC), and I've been waiting for a small form factor with an integrated power supply and a bunch of NVMe slots. Does that exist yet?

> …I've been waiting for a small form factor with an integrated power supply and a bunch of NVMe slots. Does that exist yet? Have you considered using a NAS as your homelab? I run a few containers (no VMs yet, although I can) and just do that on my QNAP. The TBS-h574TX ( https://www.qnap.com/en-us/product/tbs-h574tx ) has five E1.S/M.2 slots. The HS-453DX-8G has two SATA 3.5-inch drive bays and two M.2 2280 SATA SSD…

These NASbooks are sooooo close to what I want!

My problem is that none of them have an internal power supply. They all require a power adapter that's decidedly less easy to source than an IEC cord. I have had 3 separate experiences where I give someone instructions to grab a box and the power adapter... and they show up with the box and without the power adapter (or with a power adapter in a box of similar power adapters and no volt/amp/size rating on the box to disambiguate). In short, the internal power supply is something I actually care about.

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by dijit »

sophacles wrote: post #50
dijit wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, actually, but "wife-acceptance-factor"[0] (or; "wife approved") is useful terminology; I would love if there was some colloquially acceptable gender neutral term for that. Some have suggested some truly cumbersome terminology to replace it which is unfortunate because you very quickly run into the same problem the vegans have: If your choices are too unpalatable then reasonable people (who don't care or shar…

Why not make the replacement term: "even reasonable people wouldn't object"?

You'd be implying that your partner is unreasonable if they did object, which is a bit cold.

"Wife-Acceptance Factor" is also a spectrum, not a boolean.

What is acceptable to one partner may be unacceptable to another, understanding what is more generally acceptable than another solution is useful, because it's likely that you understand where your own partner is at mentally and how much of the home needs to be tidy and nice.

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by avidiax »

jackallis wrote: post #40

how/where can a complete noob learn all these skills to set something like this at home?

The non-noobs also don't have all the skills. The main skill is being able to progress towards a goal even though you don't know how, by searching for others that have done similar things and adapting their instructions.

Some starter goals:

* Get a Raspberry Pi

* Assemble the case for it, format the SD card, start the OS

* Install PiHole & Tailscale

* Setup Tailscale on your phone so that you can use PiHole on the go

* Adjust your router so that most devices go through PiHole

* Get a more powerful router or OpenWRT software for the router so that you can do hairpin NAT to reroute everything to the PiHole.

* Attach a hard drive to your Raspberry Pi...

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by NegativeK »

justinclift wrote: post #22
quaffapint wrote: post #4

Unless you simply want to play with all the various bits of hardware, a standard PC tower will be more power efficient and save a lot of room. I use that with unRaid and a simple router and switch and it's power efficient, doesn't make much noise, cheaper, and takes up much less room.

> a standard PC tower will be more power efficient How much does it average in power draw (watts) from the wall?

I can't speak to if it's more or less efficient, but I have one PC taking backups that's running at 43W idle. A different PC based server, which is a much more highly specced retired desktop, is running at 72W idle.

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by jvanderbot »

dijit wrote: post #41
ellieh wrote: post #36

Can we stop with all the "homelab in living room = divorce", "one less closet = unhappy wife" etc jokes? Reminds me of all the "so simple your could use it" comments on older tech product advertising. Just smells of yet more boys club humour that adds to the difficulty of including women in the hobby + industry. It's the small jokes that we're supposed to just quietly smile along with, as well as the big, that cause…

I agree, actually, but "wife-acceptance-factor"[0] (or; "wife approved") is useful terminology; I would love if there was some colloquially acceptable gender neutral term for that. Some have suggested some truly cumbersome terminology to replace it which is unfortunate because you very quickly run into the same problem the vegans have: If your choices are too unpalatable then reasonable people (who don't care or shar…

The article suggests "Significant Other Acceptance Parameters" (SOAP), which I like better anyway since it involves parameters which seem targeted to the individual, rather than a broad factor targetted at the device.

The device hits all my SOAPs, vs the WAF is high.

Re: Home Lab Beginners guide

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Post by nonameiguess »

dijit wrote: post #41
ellieh wrote: post #36

Can we stop with all the "homelab in living room = divorce", "one less closet = unhappy wife" etc jokes? Reminds me of all the "so simple your could use it" comments on older tech product advertising. Just smells of yet more boys club humour that adds to the difficulty of including women in the hobby + industry. It's the small jokes that we're supposed to just quietly smile along with, as well as the big, that cause…

I agree, actually, but "wife-acceptance-factor"[0] (or; "wife approved") is useful terminology; I would love if there was some colloquially acceptable gender neutral term for that. Some have suggested some truly cumbersome terminology to replace it which is unfortunate because you very quickly run into the same problem the vegans have: If your choices are too unpalatable then reasonable people (who don't care or shar…

It should really be something like family acceptance factor. Your spouse is usually not the only person living with you for long periods of time you'd ideally like to accomodate as a permanent co-user of shared spaces.

That said, this writer never says anything about the general idea being wife-approvable as far as I can tell, just that putting a homelab in the living room will lead to a divorce. That is already gender-neutral but at least so far also not true. My homelab is in my living room and I haven't divorced. I had to wallmount a very large media cabinet in the television nook and cut holes for USB fans into it, and use fanless mini-PCs rather than 500 decibel used servers, but you can't even tell it's there if I don't tell you.

The article you linked even says right up top this is widely thought to be a sexist term but also different than what the guy here means. The article here is about being considerate of how you use limited shared space but the Wiki is about design elements being attractive to people who care what something looks like instead of just what it does. Stereotypically, it would have been the woman in the heteronormative relationships that cared but certainly that isn't the case in my house. My wife loves gadgets and buys random crap all the time and leaves them laying around wherever is most convenient. I'm the one that cares deeply about neatness and my living space actually looking like a living space and not like I live in a data center.

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