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Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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RED does have a nice image pipeline, and some neat stuff like the Komodo. Wish I still had the spare change to get one.

I've seen a handful on my local FB marketplace lately (nowhere near Hollywood or anywhere that you'd expect to see them) but ~$5k for a Epic-X Dragon with a lens.

5k for an EPIC-X? Wild. Good thing that that's not local to me, or my bank account would be complaining.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Do you mean the D20? The Alexa wasn't released until 2010

Most movies in 2005 were film. So the style in 2005 was the film look. Collateral (2004) was the first major movie shot on video and it's got a very different look and the tech was so new, Tom Cruise had to wear a certain shade of gray suite so as to not blow the highlights in some of the scenes.

https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/thomson-grass-valleys-vipe...

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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It would be kind of cool Nikon is able to bring the price of RED cameras down. I've wanted a truly professional-grade camera for awhile, but I cannot justify spending $10k-20k for something that would fundamentally be a glorified toy to me (since I don't do anything professional with camera). I was hoping that pro-grade 4k cameras would drop to the sub-$500 mark by now, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Even th…

Pro cameras have a volume problem. Too few are sold.

Imagine if Intel only sold 10000 CPUs a year, but the fabs still cost billions of dollars. Do you still think you would have $500 CPUs?

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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I think if you know the RED story you know that at the time there were effectively 0 consumer-tier high end digital cameras. We're talking basically the advent of the DSLR revolution, where either you shot on a Canon 5D MK II or... an Alexa? Alexas retail around $50,000 (and weren't out until 2010), so RED offering actual 4K video digital camera with an easy conversion to EF mount glass (Canon) and a body that is lit…

Yo there were way more video cameras back then than just the Canon 5D and ARRI. News organizations, smaller productions and documentary makers were not just whipping around expensive ARRI’s. Sony and Panasonic made a ton of other professional video-focused cameras. I have an old Panasonic HVX200 right next to me. But the Red One was definitely still extraordinary because they managed to make a relative-cheap producti…

The role of ENG video is not precisely the same thing as digital cinema, though there's some overlap. I remember a lot of indie filmmakers in that era struggling to shoot for cinema with ENG-focused cameras and gear, and often struggling to get what they wanted out of it.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Something that industry hasn't seemed to have noticed is that Nikon has recently released a couple of camera bodies that are very capable hybrid shooters. The Nikon Z9 and Z8 cameras can record up to 8.3K 60fps RAW video in-body[1], and the shutter speed is fast enough to be very nearly "global shutter". They also inherit features common to stills cameras but rare in video cameras such as eye-detect auto focus. Some…

Sony’s “affordable” global shutter A9 III likely changed the competitive landscape. For photography Z9’s stacked sensor is superb but videography is a different story.

I don’t see how. That sensor is only 6K and the global shutter makes no practical difference compared to Nikons “very fast” shutter.

The Sony camera can only record up to 4K in-body, and only with h.265 or similar formats up to 10 bit.

The Nikon can record full-frame RAW with 12-bit log, which is far more useful for colorists to work with than anything the Sony can record.

Even the Nikon DX crop mode has more pixels and more HDR range than the Sony!

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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RED does have a nice image pipeline, and some neat stuff like the Komodo. Wish I still had the spare change to get one.

I've seen a handful on my local FB marketplace lately (nowhere near Hollywood or anywhere that you'd expect to see them) but ~$5k for a Epic-X Dragon with a lens.

The killer would be a Komodo. Global shutter and autofocus is amazing in something that price.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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When the camera pans. I find it unnerving. I don’t enjoy watching that pixelated panning. I blame it on the digital recordings. It might probably look better if they recorded it on film but no producer seems to be addressing my whimsical preferences

I think what you're seeing is due to bandwidth limitations: when the picture pans the info changes rapidly and places a bigger demand on the bandwidth, so streamed shows will suffer in quality and show pixelation. If this is what you're seeing, it has nothing to do with the content itself, it will be fine if you watch it directly from disk.

I notice it on TV as well.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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It would be kind of cool Nikon is able to bring the price of RED cameras down. I've wanted a truly professional-grade camera for awhile, but I cannot justify spending $10k-20k for something that would fundamentally be a glorified toy to me (since I don't do anything professional with camera). I was hoping that pro-grade 4k cameras would drop to the sub-$500 mark by now, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Even th…

Pro cameras have a volume problem. Too few are sold. Imagine if Intel only sold 10000 CPUs a year, but the fabs still cost billions of dollars. Do you still think you would have $500 CPUs?

No argument here.

That’s where my analogy with servers falls apart; it’s not weird for large companies like Amazon or Apple to purchase thousands of servers, which they periodically need to upgrade, and thus liquidate the old ones. Simple supply and demand dictates that the more supply we have, the lower the price (generally speaking).

I agree that if intel didn’t sell millions and millions of CPUs the price would definitely be much higher.

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Is this different in some way from the still photo world where you have like Broncolor that’s unreasonably expensive and no one can explain why?

Broncolor is expensive just because they're old and entrenched, and some people are always in the mindset that more expensive must equal better. If reliability is a concern, you can easily buy multiple Godox units of approximately the same specifications (or better) for the same price as one Broncolor.

> If reliability is a concern, you can easily buy multiple Godox units of approximately the same specifications (or better) for the same price as one Broncolor.

I got burned enough, once even literally, by cheap Chinese speedlights that I am now a firm subscriber to the philosophy of "buy once, cry once".

Re: Nikon to acquire RED

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Yo there were way more video cameras back then than just the Canon 5D and ARRI. News organizations, smaller productions and documentary makers were not just whipping around expensive ARRI’s. Sony and Panasonic made a ton of other professional video-focused cameras. I have an old Panasonic HVX200 right next to me. But the Red One was definitely still extraordinary because they managed to make a relative-cheap producti…

The role of ENG video is not precisely the same thing as digital cinema, though there's some overlap. I remember a lot of indie filmmakers in that era struggling to shoot for cinema with ENG-focused cameras and gear, and often struggling to get what they wanted out of it.

They’re not but there were ENG-style cameras with interchangeable lenses and 422 output too. There were a lot of options between DSLR and an ARRI.

Still are.

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