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Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by ethbr1 »

willcipriano wrote: post #32
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does NATO benefit?

The cold war was the largest project undertaken by any civilization in human history in terms of spending. With Sweden on board with NATO, defence contractors and other NATO adjacent public private partnerships can be assured that they won't interfere with that flow of funds.

We did get the Internet, space programs, satellite-based sensing, phased array radar, MAD theory, and some other stuff out of the spending.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by pphysch »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #52
cactusplant7374 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The exercise in team work has not been going great so far. It doesn't look like their is a path to victory in Ukraine and Europe is hesitant to commit any troops. There are some rumblings from Macron but most of Europe would prefer to send just enough weapons so Putin can't move forward and Ukraine can't push them out.

Sweden and Finland are in NATO. Leverage from turkey and Hungary is decreasing, if you haven't seen it. Democracy may be slow, but it's still the best system. Additionally, now support for Ukraine can increase and it should go faster. God, I really hope it goes a lot faster...

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Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by pandemic_region »

bilekas wrote: post #4

This is great news and NATO benefits hugely from this. I have to hand it to putin for bringing further solidarity across Europe and NATO.

Don't forget he also raised awareness for Europe's dependency on Russian fossil fuels and accelerated there move to green energy across the world. What a guy!

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by partiallypro »

yawnxyz wrote: post #62

Yes, this is a great way to fight against Putin, but... As a Swedish citizen, I think this means in the future Sweden's forces will be dragged into another Iraq-like war down the line. Sooner or later the US or NATO will be the Putin of today, and I don't look forward to that.

NATO countries only have to react if other member countries are attacked. NATO did not participate in Iraq; some members did but as a coalition they did not. They did participate in some operations in Afghanistan post-911 however, because that was a direct attack on a NATO member. Also saying the US or NATO are remotely similar to Putin is both-sides-ing nonsense.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by MaxPengwing »

pphysch wrote: post #18

Serious question, what does this change? NATO gets a bit more revenue from Swedish taxpayers? So what?

Sweden joining means they have lost the Baltic Sea as the only entrance is now controlled by two NATO countries. Finland Joining has helped lock down the Baltic sea but most importantly is a staging ground for cutting logistics to the largest military complex on the Kola peninsula.

This war is not just about Russias energy politics, it's also very much about their need for more maritime access. THis map shows where Russia has their ports, and now 4 important ports are pretty much neutralised. Kaliningrad, St Peterburg, and the Krimean Naval Complex are all locked in by NATO countries which means a naval blocade of Russia is very very easy and would completely render their navy's impotent. THe fourth one is on the Kola peninsula and this is why Finland is important as a staging ground to attack the railways to make the Murmansk complex isolated and within medium range missile range from Nelim and Kirkenes.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1h5ZK8Z4Ft06VV4ifg6...

THis leaves Petrapavlovsk-Kamchatskiyiv (North of Japan) and Valdivodstock (Next to North Korea) the only Free Water ports that are not affected by NATO.

Real Life lore has a gret video on this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si9Phc9ArpU

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