This is great news and NATO benefits hugely from this. I have to hand it to putin for bringing further solidarity across Europe and NATO.
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#52This is great news and NATO benefits hugely from this. I have to hand it to putin for bringing further solidarity across Europe and NATO.
The exercise in team work has not been going great so far. It doesn't look like their is a path to victory in Ukraine and Europe is hesitant to commit any troops. There are some rumblings from Macron but most of Europe would prefer to send just enough weapons so Putin can't move forward and Ukraine can't push them out.
Sweden and Finland are in NATO. Leverage from turkey and Hungary is decreasing, if you haven't seen it.
Democracy may be slow, but it's still the best system.
Additionally, now support for Ukraine can increase and it should go faster.
God, I really hope it goes a lot faster...
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#53What happened with Turkey's opposition to this?
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#54Here's hoping this means they can send Gripen, finally.
Sure. The US Military Industrial Complex loves to share.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
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Are you trying to say that Ukraine would've preferred to be completely taken over by Russia?
On the one hand, Ukrainians are being killed (although GP is incorrect -- Ukraine has specifically been drafting older, non-youth people) and their industry is being bombed.
On the other hand, they're still a sovereign, free state.
Opinions may vary on which of those is more important.
As historical context, I would point out that the last time ethnic Russians controlled Ukraine, they killed 3M+ of them via starvation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
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#58Just in time for Trump to do the rug pull he agreed with Putin back in 2018, when they met in Helsinki and Trump took care to even destroy translator’s notes. If he wins the election, NATO is toast and Putin has carte blanche over East Europe.
Not vouching for him, but Trump did alert the Germans about the risk of over relying on Russian energy [1]. He wanted Europe to become independent of Putin years before this crisis. He did not say these things in the most appropriate way, like everything he says, but it didn't seem like he wanted to weaken Europe before Russia, quite the opposite.
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It has been going better than the last 30 years. Military cooperation in Europe broke down with the last Reforger of '93. It is great that Europe cooperates more, the view of the US public on NATO can be seen in any US TV series or Hollywood film - it does not exist.
> the view of the US public on NATO can be seen in any US TV series or Hollywood film - it does not exist. I wouldn't say it doesn't exist. To me, it's always more of that "we'll let you guys muck about until it's totally obvious you're not going to fix it, then we'll ride in to save the day" attitude. Not saying that's accurate, but that's how it's portrayed by Hollywood
> Not saying that's accurate
It's fairly accurate