Sweden Is a NATO Member • Hacker News Board

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by nextos » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 5:21 PM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #14

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does NATO benefit?

Sweden has a pretty solid defense industry. Gripens and NLAWs for example are Swedish production.

Indeed, for a small country in terms of population, they have a really impressive defense industry.

Also a very interesting distributed defense doctrine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_90

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by willcipriano » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 5:21 PM UTC

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #9

bilekas wrote: post #4

This is great news and NATO benefits hugely from this. I have to hand it to putin for bringing further solidarity across Europe and NATO.

How does NATO benefit?

The cold war was the largest project undertaken by any civilization in human history in terms of spending. With Sweden on board with NATO, defence contractors and other NATO adjacent public private partnerships can be assured that they won't interfere with that flow of funds.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by nicolapede » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 5:21 PM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #18

Serious question, what does this change? NATO gets a bit more revenue from Swedish taxpayers? So what?

If you look at the Baltic Sea before and after the invasion of Ukraine, that was largely a neutral space (before) that has since turned into a NATO one -- excluding only the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad.

I would argue this makes any further move by Russia in that space quite problematic.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by FirmwareBurner » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 5:22 PM UTC

Hamuko wrote: post #14

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does NATO benefit?

Sweden has a pretty solid defense industry. Gripens and NLAWs for example are Swedish production.

Correction: NLAWs are only Swedish designed(SAAB defense) but are production of Thales(a French company) manufactured in Belfast, Northern Ireland(UK), using warheads made by a subsidiary of SAAB in Switzerland.

Yes, I'm fun at parties.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by rmbyrro » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 5:22 PM UTC

tharmas wrote: post #22

lawn wrote: post #2

Finally. I'm going to celebrate by opening a bottle of red wine from Ukraine, seems fitting.

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Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 5:22 PM UTC

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #11

bilekas wrote: post #4

This is great news and NATO benefits hugely from this. I have to hand it to putin for bringing further solidarity across Europe and NATO.

The exercise in team work has not been going great so far. It doesn't look like their is a path to victory in Ukraine and Europe is hesitant to commit any troops. There are some rumblings from Macron but most of Europe would prefer to send just enough weapons so Putin can't move forward and Ukraine can't push them out.

Most of Europe is in NATO. NATO nations committing troops would likely drag all of NATO into war with Russia, increasing the chance of a nuclear war. That's not something NATO wants.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by hbrav » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 5:22 PM UTC

pphysch wrote: post #18

Serious question, what does this change? NATO gets a bit more revenue from Swedish taxpayers? So what?

The most significant change is that any attack on Sweden would require other NATO countries to come to Sweden's defence, and vice versa.

It means that Sweden would also take part in more joint training exercises, share more intelligence, etc. with other NATO members.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by 1234letshaveatw » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 5:22 PM UTC

tharmas wrote: post #22

lawn wrote: post #2

Finally. I'm going to celebrate by opening a bottle of red wine from Ukraine, seems fitting.

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How exactly do you think Ukraine would look under Russian occupation? If someone were to break in and occupy your home would you be accepting of the invasion to avoid conflict?

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by lawn » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 5:22 PM UTC

tharmas wrote: post #5

iam-TJ wrote: post #3

Looking at the flag colours I cannot but think that Sweden is paving the way for Ukraine's membership.

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How many times has Putin tried to shake the nuke stick?

He has threatened Sweden directly with nukes if we ever tried to join Nato for instance.

And even then, Putin has no limits. We cannot continue to put red lines and limits on ourselves when the opponent doesn't have any.

Re: Sweden Is a NATO Member

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Post by TulliusCicero » Thu, Mar 07, 2024, 5:22 PM UTC

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #9

bilekas wrote: post #4

This is great news and NATO benefits hugely from this. I have to hand it to putin for bringing further solidarity across Europe and NATO.

How does NATO benefit?

More territory coverage, especially coastal areas of the Baltic Sea. With Finland in there too, it's a NATO lake for sure.

Of course, Sweden was already a member of the EU and a NATO partner, so it's not a huge difference in practice.