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Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by ljm »

beirut_bootleg wrote: post #29
maeln wrote: post #23

It is very ironic that they sell it has "eco-compact dishwasher" when it require disposable chunk of plastic to use it. The amount of water saved will really not make up for the amount of plastic thrash created. From their website: "At Daan Tech, we’ve always believed that a more sustainable and fairer world is possible.", you really have to be cynical to write something like this and then sell a worse washing machin…

Permit me to disagree with about all of your conclusions here. First of all, the cassettes are returnable. This is also mentioned on their website. * https://daan.tech/discover-bob-cassette/ > Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. We refill them and put them back on the market. Close the loop, lower your carbon footprint. You're also NOT required to use the cassettes. You can just throw standard dishwasher ta…

I got one because it's the only mini dishwasher that can fit in my kitchen. The cassettes don't clean that thoroughly compared to normal dishwasher tabs, so I just use those instead.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

#62

Post by benjijay »

jheriko wrote: post #44

i like the story, but i cant help but notice that the "cassette" is solving a non-existent problem who the fuck has to measure a dishwasher tablet?

It seems that one cassette holds enough detergent for 30 washes, so presumably you'd want to measure 1/30th of the reservoir per load. Just a guess.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

#63

Post by avery17 »

beirut_bootleg wrote: post #29
maeln wrote: post #23

It is very ironic that they sell it has "eco-compact dishwasher" when it require disposable chunk of plastic to use it. The amount of water saved will really not make up for the amount of plastic thrash created. From their website: "At Daan Tech, we’ve always believed that a more sustainable and fairer world is possible.", you really have to be cynical to write something like this and then sell a worse washing machin…

Permit me to disagree with about all of your conclusions here. First of all, the cassettes are returnable. This is also mentioned on their website. * https://daan.tech/discover-bob-cassette/ > Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. We refill them and put them back on the market. Close the loop, lower your carbon footprint. You're also NOT required to use the cassettes. You can just throw standard dishwasher ta…

Nj recently banned single use plastic bags. Now instead of people actually reusing the reusable bags forever they just throw them out almost every time. Everyone who buys this machine is not going to go out of their way to return the casettes. America is obsessed with convenience and will continute throwing out perfectly reusable things until we have a massive cultural shift.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

#64

Post by xg15 »

beirut_bootleg wrote: post #29
maeln wrote: post #23

It is very ironic that they sell it has "eco-compact dishwasher" when it require disposable chunk of plastic to use it. The amount of water saved will really not make up for the amount of plastic thrash created. From their website: "At Daan Tech, we’ve always believed that a more sustainable and fairer world is possible.", you really have to be cynical to write something like this and then sell a worse washing machin…

Permit me to disagree with about all of your conclusions here. First of all, the cassettes are returnable. This is also mentioned on their website. * https://daan.tech/discover-bob-cassette/ > Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. We refill them and put them back on the market. Close the loop, lower your carbon footprint. You're also NOT required to use the cassettes. You can just throw standard dishwasher ta…

> Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable.

Yes, in theory, which requires from you the effort of packaging it up, paying postage, plan time to go to the post office, etc - or you could just throw it in the trash for exactly the same visible effect and be done with it. Even if people want to mail them back, this sounds like exactly the kind of task that will perpetually stay on the "I'll look into that when I have time" list, until they finally just want to get rid of it and throw it in the trash.

But it's good for shifting the blame, because then the pollution is not DaanTech's fault but those of individual consumers.

> You're also NOT required to use the cassettes. You can just throw standard dishwasher tablets in.

Doesn't this contradict what the article was saying? At least there was a quote from DaanTech somewhere that you have to have a cassette inserted to start a wash.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

#65

Post by steezeburger »

mellutussa wrote: post #51
beirut_bootleg wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Permit me to disagree with about all of your conclusions here. First of all, the cassettes are returnable. This is also mentioned on their website. * https://daan.tech/discover-bob-cassette/ > Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. We refill them and put them back on the market. Close the loop, lower your carbon footprint. You're also NOT required to use the cassettes. You can just throw standard dishwasher ta…

> cassettes are returnable Of the fraction that gets returned, how many are actually reused? It's black plastic with a shine to it and it'll show scratches easily. Does the factory even have the facilities to clean them out and refurbish them for next use?

Yes, tfa shows an excerpt from Bob saying they have the facilities to clean and reuse the cartridges.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

#66

Post by sparsely »

xg15 wrote: post #64
beirut_bootleg wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Permit me to disagree with about all of your conclusions here. First of all, the cassettes are returnable. This is also mentioned on their website. * https://daan.tech/discover-bob-cassette/ > Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. We refill them and put them back on the market. Close the loop, lower your carbon footprint. You're also NOT required to use the cassettes. You can just throw standard dishwasher ta…

> Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. Yes, in theory, which requires from you the effort of packaging it up, paying postage, plan time to go to the post office, etc - or you could just throw it in the trash for exactly the same visible effect and be done with it. Even if people want to mail them back, this sounds like exactly the kind of task that will perpetually stay on the "I'll look into that when I hav…

You need a cassette inserted, but it can be empty.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

#67

Post by bayindirh »

1f60c wrote: post #41

I've never heard of liquid dishwasher detergent before, but > With shipping and VAT added, it costs a whopping £43 ($60) for 90 washes! That is 48p (67c) per wash. This about matches the cost of "premium" (think Dreft, Finish, etc.) dishwasher detergent tablets in my country.

> I've never heard of liquid dishwasher detergent before, but

There are tons of brands. I use an eco-friendly brand when washing a full machine of lightly used dishes (no eggs, for example).

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by mellutussa »

steezeburger wrote: post #65
mellutussa wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cassettes are returnable Of the fraction that gets returned, how many are actually reused? It's black plastic with a shine to it and it'll show scratches easily. Does the factory even have the facilities to clean them out and refurbish them for next use?

Yes, tfa shows an excerpt from Bob saying they have the facilities to clean and reuse the cartridges.

tfa?

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

#69

Post by willcipriano »

xg15 wrote: post #64
beirut_bootleg wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Permit me to disagree with about all of your conclusions here. First of all, the cassettes are returnable. This is also mentioned on their website. * https://daan.tech/discover-bob-cassette/ > Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. We refill them and put them back on the market. Close the loop, lower your carbon footprint. You're also NOT required to use the cassettes. You can just throw standard dishwasher ta…

> Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. Yes, in theory, which requires from you the effort of packaging it up, paying postage, plan time to go to the post office, etc - or you could just throw it in the trash for exactly the same visible effect and be done with it. Even if people want to mail them back, this sounds like exactly the kind of task that will perpetually stay on the "I'll look into that when I hav…

Even if they ship it back, i'd really doubt the environmental impact of shipping something halfway across the country is less than a few gallons of water per dishwasher load.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by globular-toast »

Something doesn't add up here. It says £43 for 90 washes, but the picture shows six cartridges which is 180 washes? On top of that, it contains rinse aid and enough deep cleaning for those 180 washes.

Compared to dishwasher tablets from the supermarket it looks like 180 would cost from about £15 for supermarket own brand, all the way up to about £32 for the most expensive. Then on top of that you have the rinse aid, deep cleaner and salt, which seems to account for the other £10.

Obviously this thing is significantly smaller but I think the assumption is you'd be running the big dishwasher half empty every day anyway so the cost would be the same. So it doesn't seem to be that far off price wise?

I find dishwashers in general to be an example of convenience addiction. The amount of dishes this thing can hold I could wash up by hand in about 5 minutes and, unlike the dishwasher, I can guarantee I'll do it properly. People forget that washing up is a skill like anything else that you can get good at. It only takes a bit of practice. But once you use a dishwasher and forget how to do it yourself you get addicted and think you can't live without it.

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