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Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by mellutussa »

beirut_bootleg wrote: post #29
maeln wrote: post #23

It is very ironic that they sell it has "eco-compact dishwasher" when it require disposable chunk of plastic to use it. The amount of water saved will really not make up for the amount of plastic thrash created. From their website: "At Daan Tech, we’ve always believed that a more sustainable and fairer world is possible.", you really have to be cynical to write something like this and then sell a worse washing machin…

Permit me to disagree with about all of your conclusions here. First of all, the cassettes are returnable. This is also mentioned on their website. * https://daan.tech/discover-bob-cassette/ > Each Bob cassette is returnable and reusable. We refill them and put them back on the market. Close the loop, lower your carbon footprint. You're also NOT required to use the cassettes. You can just throw standard dishwasher ta…

> cassettes are returnable

Of the fraction that gets returned, how many are actually reused? It's black plastic with a shine to it and it'll show scratches easily. Does the factory even have the facilities to clean them out and refurbish them for next use?

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by hengistbury »

rob74 wrote: post #17
userbinator wrote: post #5

The more I think of it, the more I can draw parallel between Bob cassettes and those overpriced DRM-enabled inkjet cartridges, often costing more than the printer itself. More than two decades ago, this is the first publicly documented attempt at hacking printer DRM - indeed, also accomplished with EEPROMs in the cartridges: https://eddiem.com/photo/CIS/inkchip/chip.html I thought the GUID was put in the cartridge to…

If hacking cartridges becomes popular enough that it impacts their cartridge sales, they might put out a firmware update that does just that, but it looks like they went with the "lazy option" first?

Daan Tech broke their firmware update mechanism for lots of dishwashers in the field by losing their keys, more than once too. I own one such dishwasher and can't update the firmware without replacing the main board. They could certainly prevent cartridge resetting in newer dishwashers.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by uxp100 »

jheriko wrote: post #44

i like the story, but i cant help but notice that the "cassette" is solving a non-existent problem who the fuck has to measure a dishwasher tablet?

Do you understand it’s a micro countertop dishwasher, that would use less detergent than a full size?

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by beirut_bootleg »

zachallaun wrote: post #50
gjvc wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I read this as "owner of _a_ Bob", as opposed to the owner of the actual company.

I can see now how that line can give the wrong impression. My unit is very dear to me, to the point where I call it by name like any other housemate. It's always "honey, I'll give Bob a go at these dishes". I guess I was expecting constructive discourse on HN without having to dodge knee-jerk comments at every step.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by hengistbury »

jheriko wrote: post #44

i like the story, but i cant help but notice that the "cassette" is solving a non-existent problem who the fuck has to measure a dishwasher tablet?

This dishwasher is much smaller, so would require smaller tablets to work work efficiently. Certainly possible, and Daan Tech sell small tablets for this use.

One benefit of measured detergent is that the wash cycle can dispense the correct amount for different parts of the cycle, for example the pre-wash can dispense a small amount and the main cycle can dispense a larger amount. The rinse at the end can dispense rinse aid.

This system offers more control to the machine about when fluids are used, though it would be much better to include refillable tanks instead of the cassette system.

I own a Bob and use powder since mine has stopped pumping detergent...

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by hengistbury »

05 wrote: post #16
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #12

Shout out here for the youtube channel he mentions turned him onto the bob. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVup5ya0WVQ / https://www.youtube.com/user/Techmoan Mat/Techmoan has a perfectly eclectic mix of useful current generation hardware reviews (with his reviews skewed to things which Work Well, are well built and resilient vs fancy features) and nostalgic reviews of electronics (sometimes of things you never knew…

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I feel like DRM is a stretch, the chip in the cartridge is used to track how many washes are left so it knows if it is empty.

The dishwasher can be used with regular tablets or powder. I use mine with powder and a small amount of citric acid, and have great results.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by bzzzt »

pyrale wrote: post #49
puzzlingcaptcha wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the carbon footprint of transporting the empty cassettes back for refilling? What percentage of Bob's customers bother to do that?

> What percentage of Bob's customers bother to do that? Would these people use a cleaner solution anyway? I mean, you can say that of any refilling system, if people don't use it.

It's more difficult if you have lots of special containers (in this case with integrated electronics) that can only be sent back to a specific shop.

My dishwasher uses detergent powder which comes in simple plastic containers that can be dealt with via regular plastic waste collection.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by skerit »

jheriko wrote: post #44

i like the story, but i cant help but notice that the "cassette" is solving a non-existent problem who the fuck has to measure a dishwasher tablet?

I got a new Miele dishwasher, which is able to use "PowerDisks". I actually find it quite handy.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by eru »

beirut_bootleg wrote: post #54
zachallaun wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read this as "owner of _a_ Bob", as opposed to the owner of the actual company.

I can see now how that line can give the wrong impression. My unit is very dear to me, to the point where I call it by name like any other housemate. It's always "honey, I'll give Bob a go at these dishes". I guess I was expecting constructive discourse on HN without having to dodge knee-jerk comments at every step.

Well, it is conceivable that the owner of the Bob company might post here.

I agree with you otherwise.

Re: Bob_cassette_rewinder

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Post by re »

1f60c wrote: post #41

I've never heard of liquid dishwasher detergent before, but > With shipping and VAT added, it costs a whopping £43 ($60) for 90 washes! That is 48p (67c) per wash. This about matches the cost of "premium" (think Dreft, Finish, etc.) dishwasher detergent tablets in my country.

Those tablets are sized for a dishwasher that holds about 4 times as many dishes, though.
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