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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by dang »

enriquec wrote: post #840
dang wrote: post #785

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, but please don't post generic ideological battle comments to HN. They're repetitive and tedious, and usually turn nasty. We're trying to avoid that on this site. I'm not defending the GP comment (I don't even know what it's saying) but at least it wasn't completely unmoored from the specific topic. Edit: your account has been breaking the site guidelines in quite a few other places too—e.g. https://news.ycombinat…

parent comment is unmoored. so why isn't his flagged or lectured about?

It was still connected to the topic at hand. I'm not defending it in other respects.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by atleastoptimal »

ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #657
atleastoptimal wrote: post #320

Did people really think leading the development of the most important invention in human history wouldn’t involve a little bit of drama? I know everyone wants OpenAI to be a magical place that open sources their models the moment they’re done training, but it’s clear that they’ve chosen a reasonable path for their business based on both practicality and risk reduction. If they had gone another way, today they’d be an…

Lol I'm amazed that all the tech bros have fallen for their marketing and think AGI is really around the corner.

It is around the corner. Anyone who can't see this is either being deliberately obtuse or doesn't have the intelligence to gauge trends

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by atleastoptimal »

_heimdall wrote: post #630
atleastoptimal wrote: post #320

Did people really think leading the development of the most important invention in human history wouldn’t involve a little bit of drama? I know everyone wants OpenAI to be a magical place that open sources their models the moment they’re done training, but it’s clear that they’ve chosen a reasonable path for their business based on both practicality and risk reduction. If they had gone another way, today they’d be an…

> most important invention in human history How can we possibly weigh all human inventions and decide this one, which has yet to even be invented, is the most important?

It's been 40-50% invented, and it's clear to see just how much even these early versions are changing things.

Fundamentally every invention in human history was made because of intelligence. What happens when we invent intelligence itself?

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by romwell »

zo1 wrote: post #347
romwell wrote: post #122

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Hard to say. But with a $20 subscription, you could ask ChatGPT 4.0 to interpret the truth that exists in that comment :D

I pay cents for GPT4. Please I urge everyone to stop paying this ridiculous $20 monthly fee if you just occasionally use chatGPT.

Well, on that note: how do you use GPT4, and how do you pay cents for it?

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by _heimdall »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #923
_heimdall wrote: post #630

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most important invention in human history How can we possibly weigh all human inventions and decide this one, which has yet to even be invented, is the most important?

It's been 40-50% invented, and it's clear to see just how much even these early versions are changing things. Fundamentally every invention in human history was made because of intelligence. What happens when we invent intelligence itself?

> It's been 40-50% invented

There's absolutely no way we can know this until a functional AI has been developed, and even then how is that % calculated? Do we only consider the code required, the training data set, or do we need to include the underlying tech from GPUs to electricity?

> What happens when we invent intelligence itself?

Well first we have to agree on a definition of intelligence and a reliable way of measuring it. I'm not aware of an answer yet on either of these, and humans have been trying to answer these questions for a very long time.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by iteygib »

xbar wrote: post #699
iteygib wrote: post #680

This is the usual Musk play book. He is a salesman, not a tech guru, and plays the "good guy card" when it suits him in order to fool his followers en masse. A few months ago this forum was very much for the profit model of Altman after his ouster, and now it's the other way around. Why believe any sort of discussion on the internet at all anymore? Can hackernews prove the discussions here are not by Tesla staff? By…

Making a conclusion that this forum was somehow uniform in the position you suggest is too revisionist to finish reading the remainder of your comments.

Case in point: you made a conclusion without fully reading something, based on a pre-existing bias you had after someone made a claim that went against it. This is modern internet in a nutshell, and that's not even considering whether this forum, like any other, is not just a lot of the same people behind multiple accounts.

Here's a thread to get you started: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38309611

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by qarl »

smoldesu wrote: post #892
qarl wrote: post #889

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GOOD GRIEF. You're right, AGI is not well defined. But it is perfectly well defined for the purposes of this conversation. Working in this space (however you want to say it) costs a lot of money. Everyone knows this. You nitpicking definitions does not change that.

> Working in this space (however you want to say it) costs a lot of money. Not necessarily? OpenAI deliberately chooses to scale their models vertically, which incumbents like Google and Meta had largely avoided. Their "big innovation" was GPT-4, an LLM of unprecedented scale that brute-forced it's way to the top. The Open Source 72b+ models of today generally give it a run for it's money, the party trick is over. Ni…

> Not necessarily?

Well then, I expect we'll see a bunch of small projects that beat the big players any day now. I won't hold my breath.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by kortilla »

color_me_not wrote: post #361
kortilla wrote: post #254

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Collectivism involves deciding for others. If it’s fully voluntary it’s individualism. Working together is not collectivism.

> Collectivism involves deciding for others. That may be true, but that's not sufficient to define collectivism. There are many other forms of societal structures where "deciding for others" exists as well. Unless you mean to lump all these together, and say that companies and tyranny for example are the same as collectivism? > If it’s fully voluntary it’s individualism. If I _voluntarily_ decide to join a "collectiv…

It’s collectivist if you can’t opt out

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by kortilla »

bergen wrote: post #274
kortilla wrote: post #254

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Collectivism involves deciding for others. If it’s fully voluntary it’s individualism. Working together is not collectivism.

So everyone in OpenAI or google decides for themselves what they want to work on and is detached from hierarchies?

Yes, they can quit any day they want and that company cannot impose any restrictions on them.
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