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Re: New ways we're tackling spammy, low-quality content on Search

#121
The expired domain abuse thing --- that's interesting because finding that signal was one of the few things I got done while I was at Google... in November 2006! And I vaguely remember being told that the fix went into the codebase after I identified that it was happening.

Re: New ways we're tackling spammy, low-quality content on Search

#122
post #62

The best way to improve Google search results is to stop and use Kagi[0]. Seriously. If you are reading this article and these comments then you must be somewhat interested in search results. Do yourself (and the search world) a favor and subscribe. [0] https://kagi.com

There is so much Kagi references on HN that I’m slowly beginning to feel sus about it. I’m not saying this is happening (I’m not saying anyone is a shill). It’s just making me feel a little “hmm” about it.

I'm a happy Kagi user. It's not ground breaking or anything I'd even recommend to most people. It's a slightly worse Google search, with substantially better power usability. Normal, every day searches could be done on either Google or Kagi and the Google results are slightly better especially with regard to geo based critera. I don't have to specify "Name of City" in Google nearly as often as I do in Kagi.

However, when I'm trying to find some archaic technical solutions that I know is out there on the web somewhere, Google just can't really do the job any more at all. Exact search doesn't even work! Kagi's filters DO work, and the ability to black list stackoverflow scrapers cuts out a lot of the useless noise. It's at those times when Kagi earns its place.

Re: New ways we're tackling spammy, low-quality content on Search

#123
post #62

The best way to improve Google search results is to stop and use Kagi[0]. Seriously. If you are reading this article and these comments then you must be somewhat interested in search results. Do yourself (and the search world) a favor and subscribe. [0] https://kagi.com

There is so much Kagi references on HN that I’m slowly beginning to feel sus about it. I’m not saying this is happening (I’m not saying anyone is a shill). It’s just making me feel a little “hmm” about it.

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Re: New ways we're tackling spammy, low-quality content on Search

#124

The expired domain abuse thing --- that's interesting because finding that signal was one of the few things I got done while I was at Google... in November 2006! And I vaguely remember being told that the fix went into the codebase after I identified that it was happening.

Interesting you bring this up. We saw something similar happen at another FAANG where the fake review detection mechanisms that had worked so well were suddenly removed from the codebase, among other quality control safeguards.

Re: New ways we're tackling spammy, low-quality content on Search

#125
post #28

I would really love for Google to provide advanced search capabilities or filters to superusers who know EXACTLY what they are searching for. I wouldn't even mind paying for it tbh.

They used to give users much more control—the product has been deliberately crippled for a long time now.

Re: New ways we're tackling spammy, low-quality content on Search

#127

The expired domain abuse thing --- that's interesting because finding that signal was one of the few things I got done while I was at Google... in November 2006! And I vaguely remember being told that the fix went into the codebase after I identified that it was happening.

I mean, that was before the Doubleclick merger aka takeover that seemed to plunge Google into profiting from the problem instead of trying to fix it.

Re: New ways we're tackling spammy, low-quality content on Search

#128
post #55

As AI generated content takes over the web, algorithmic search will become increasingly useless. In fact, for many things - like what to buy - it already is useless. Your best bet is asking your family/friend/neighborhood groups. If I had trillions like google does, I'd invest in hiring a whole bunch of humans to curate a search index that is actually useful. It's something a new player will never be able to scale up…

> As AI generated content takes over the web, algorithmic search will become increasingly useless.

This honestly seems unrelated to their poor search quality—hell, I'm even open to AI generated content for some queries. I blame catering to their clients and attempting to manipulate the content on the internet in the name of SEO for why I find useful results buried beneath products and ads.

Re: New ways we're tackling spammy, low-quality content on Search

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post #55

As AI generated content takes over the web, algorithmic search will become increasingly useless. In fact, for many things - like what to buy - it already is useless. Your best bet is asking your family/friend/neighborhood groups. If I had trillions like google does, I'd invest in hiring a whole bunch of humans to curate a search index that is actually useful. It's something a new player will never be able to scale up…

Right, LLMs will change the world, we know. Algorithmic search has been useless for 5+ years. LLMs will just generate those spam pages faster, but they're already there.

It seems like it shouldn't be too hard for Google to create an AI filter that recognizes spam.

They obviously have the training data. Even if they needed to manually label a bunch of it.

The problem must be that they make too much money from the web pages that are just "500 words rephrasing the headline plus constantly-refreshing ads between every paragraph"

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