OpenAI and Elon Musk

Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 06, 2024, 5:00 PM UTC

digging wrote: post #761

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #590

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This looks like one of the steps leading to the fulfilment of the iron law of bureaucracy. They are putting the company ahead of the goals of the company. "Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy…

Ironically, this is essentially the core danger of true AGI itself. An agent can't achieve goals if it's dead, so you have to focus some energy on staying alive. But also, an agent can achieve more goals if it's more powerful, so you should devote some energy to gaining power if you really care about your goals... Among many other more technical reasons, this is a great demonstration of why AI "alignment" as it is of…

Post by mcculley » Wed, Mar 06, 2024, 5:08 PM UTC

lupire wrote: post #596

mcculley wrote: post #569

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A point that I don’t think is being appreciated here is that email is still fundamental to communication between organizations, even if they are using something less formal internally. One’s nephew might not interact in a professional capacity with other organizations, but many do.

B2C uses texting. Even if B uses email, C doesn't read it. And that is becoming just links to a webapp. B2B probably still uses email, but that's terrible because of the phishing threat. Professional communication should use webapps plus notification pings which can be app notifications, emails, or SMS. People to people at different organizations again fall back to texting as an informal channel.

Post by dkjaudyeqooe » Wed, Mar 06, 2024, 5:13 PM UTC

TheAlchemist wrote: post #285

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The difference is OpenAI had a reputation to protect, Musk can't sink any lower at this point, and his stans will persist. The fact that they slinging mud at each other just proves the mutual criticism though, and provides an edifying spectacle for the rest of us.

> Musk can't sink any lower at this point, and his stans will persist. You sure about that ? For now they are largely looking away (and boy it's hard !) from his 'far right' adventures. But it was just reported that he met with Trump. And it's pretty clear that if Trump is elected and does cancel EV subsides as he says he will do, Tesla is dead and he knows it. So now, we have both of those guys, having something eac…

Post by dkjaudyeqooe » Wed, Mar 06, 2024, 5:14 PM UTC

TheCaptain4815 wrote: post #693

TheAlchemist wrote: post #285

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> Musk can't sink any lower at this point, and his stans will persist. You sure about that ? For now they are largely looking away (and boy it's hard !) from his 'far right' adventures. But it was just reported that he met with Trump. And it's pretty clear that if Trump is elected and does cancel EV subsides as he says he will do, Tesla is dead and he knows it. So now, we have both of those guys, having something eac…

Nothing you wrote has a spec of evidence. The current administration has been clearly targeting Elon Musk and Tesla/SpaceX, so why on earth wouldn't Elon support their opponents?

Post by polygamous_bat » Wed, Mar 06, 2024, 5:15 PM UTC

consumer451 wrote: post #430

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Yes, he has shown his true self when he called the British diver, who was rescuing kids out of cave in Thailand, a pedophile. That was more than 5 years ago.

Morals, ethics, and not being a jerk aside, Musk has now proven that he is just plain not thinking things through, when he: 1) Released the original Boring Company idea about tiny tunnels under LA to alleviate road traffic, which could easily be shot down by anyone modeling it on a single paper napkin. 2) Got caught up in ontological (theistic) arguments about alien scientists who had surely created a computer simula…