I'm not a Meta fan, but it's hard to not look at how they have handled Llama and how well it's worked out for them and the "community." I think that OpenAI could also be playing a leading role in the science instead of selling subscriptions for Microsoft.
OpenAI and Elon Musk
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I remember when my family collectively came together to cook a meal when I was a child, how this deprived me of the experience of learning to bootstrap civilization on my own. Literally any time two people work together that’s dangerously close to collectivism as it’s not individuals working in their own. Down with the collectivists, every person should be an independent operator
Collectivism involves deciding for others. If it’s fully voluntary it’s individualism. Working together is not collectivism.
Ah so my family was collectivist as I just ate what my family served. I’ll be sure to tell my mother of her evil collectivist policies for giving me a peanut butter sandwich for dinner when I was five instead of letting me self actualize and choose my own meals.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
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If AGI is as transformative as its proponents make it out to be, would it both attract and create those enormous egos though?
“I visualize a time when we will be to robots what dogs are to humans. And I am rooting for the machines.” — Claude Shannon
A robot stamping on a human face—forever.
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#774I guess neither Elon Musk nor Sam Altman want to live in a world where someone else makes it a better place
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#775Regardless of who is right here, I think the enormous egos at play make OpenAI the last company I’d want to develop AGI. First Sam vs. the board, now Elon vs. everyone … it’s pretty clear this company is not in any way being run for the greater good. It’s all ego and money with some good science trapped underneath.
Yes and no. Elon has ego, but I also take him at his word when he says he wants to open source AI. He did the same thing with Tesla's patents.
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#776Regardless of who is right here, I think the enormous egos at play make OpenAI the last company I’d want to develop AGI. First Sam vs. the board, now Elon vs. everyone … it’s pretty clear this company is not in any way being run for the greater good. It’s all ego and money with some good science trapped underneath.
Yes and no. Elon has ego, but I also take him at his word when he says he wants to open source AI. He did the same thing with Tesla's patents.
Why isn't gronk open source?
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How did they structure it to prevent this? Is it in the statutes of the company or smth?
It's actually a very clever structure! Please open the following image to follow along as I elaborate: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_PGOPOacAApU8e.jpg At the top level, there is the non-profit board of directors (i.e.: the ones Sam Altman had that big fight with). They are not beholden to any shareholders and are directly bound by the company charter: https://openai.com/charter The top-level nonprofit company owns ho…
And what was this structure supposed to achieve? At the top we have board of directors not accountable to anyone, except, as we recently discovered, to the possibility of a general rebellion from employees.
That's not clever or innovative. That's just plain old oligarchy. Intrigue and infighting is a known feature of oligarchies ever since antiquity.
Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#778Regardless of who is right here, I think the enormous egos at play make OpenAI the last company I’d want to develop AGI. First Sam vs. the board, now Elon vs. everyone … it’s pretty clear this company is not in any way being run for the greater good. It’s all ego and money with some good science trapped underneath.
You're generally correct, but what really stings is Claude 3 Opus released right at the same time. It's superior to GPT-4 in pretty much every way I've tested. Center of gravity has shifted across a few streets to Anthropic seemingly overnight.
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#779Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk
#780Regardless of who is right here, I think the enormous egos at play make OpenAI the last company I’d want to develop AGI. First Sam vs. the board, now Elon vs. everyone … it’s pretty clear this company is not in any way being run for the greater good. It’s all ego and money with some good science trapped underneath.
You're generally correct, but what really stings is Claude 3 Opus released right at the same time. It's superior to GPT-4 in pretty much every way I've tested. Center of gravity has shifted across a few streets to Anthropic seemingly overnight.
I have had homework questions (functional analysis and commutative ring theory) that GPT-4 is good enough for but Claude3 has been strikingly better.