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Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by andsoitis »

danenania wrote: post #107
bugglebeetle wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public relations. What Musk has said about OpenAI is true: they abandoned their mission and sold themselves off to Microsoft in pursuit of profit, and have no intention of making the technology (or its rewards) widely available to all. They can’t counter any of these claims credibly, but can still (correctly) paint the messenger as arguing in bad faith to diminish their impact. Being right about all of this doesn’t a…

“have no intention of making the technology (or its rewards) widely available to all” Has any organization done more to make AI widely available to all? I can’t think of one. True, they’re not making the source code available. True, they’re making tons of money off it. But their most powerful AI is accessible to anyone with a credit card.

> their most powerful AI is accessible to anyone with a credit card

Only 22.26% of the world's population had credit cards as of 2021.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by romwell »

throwup238 wrote: post #99
elif wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>they may be right that open sourcing AGI would lead to too much danger. I think this part is proving itself to be an understandable but false perspective. The hazard we are experiencing with LLM right now is not how freely accessible and powerfully truthy it's content is, but it is precisely the controls upon it which are trying to be injected by the large model operators which are generating mistrust and a poor und…

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Hard to say. But with a $20 subscription, you could ask ChatGPT 4.0 to interpret the truth that exists in that comment :D

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by neom »

baking wrote: post #51
endisneigh wrote: post #19

I'm surprised they would publish this honestly. Especially considering that they're in a lawsuit.

Probably didn't talk to a lawyer.

That seems incredibly unlikely given a large percentage of the people around the top of OpenAI are lawyers, most notably, their Chief Strategy Officer.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by nonethewiser »

elif wrote: post #56
Reubend wrote: post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

>they may be right that open sourcing AGI would lead to too much danger. I think this part is proving itself to be an understandable but false perspective. The hazard we are experiencing with LLM right now is not how freely accessible and powerfully truthy it's content is, but it is precisely the controls upon it which are trying to be injected by the large model operators which are generating mistrust and a poor und…

> The hazard we are experiencing with LLM right now is not how freely accessible and powerfully truthy it's content is, but it is precisely the controls upon it which are trying to be injected by the large model operators which are generating mistrust and a poor understanding of what these models are useful for.

This slices through a lot of double speak about AI safety. At the same time, people use “safety” to mean not letting AI control electrical grids and to ensure AIs adhere to partisan moral guidelines.

Virtually all of the current “safety” issues fall into the latter category. Which many don’t consider a safety issue at all. But they get snuck in with real concerns about integrating an AI too deeply into critical systems.

Just wait until google integrates it deeply into search. Might finally kill search.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by throwup238 »

romwell wrote: post #122
throwup238 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Hard to say. But with a $20 subscription, you could ask ChatGPT 4.0 to interpret the truth that exists in that comment :D

I did. It answered "I don't know."

I guess I found the (in)coherent interpretation...

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by barrell »

resonious wrote: post #97
magnio wrote: post #6

> Elon understood the mission did not imply open-sourcing AGI. As Ilya told Elon: “As we get closer to building AI, it will make sense to start being less open. The Open in openAI means that everyone should benefit from the fruits of AI after its built, but it's totally OK to not share the science...”, to which Elon replied: “Yup”. Wow the most open OpenAI has ever been is when someone sue them. On the other hand, th…

Yeah seems pretty cut and dry. It'd feel pretty bad to see OpenAI doing what they're doing now after saying things like "My probability assessment of OpenAI being relevant to DeepMind/Google without a dramatic change in execution and resources is 0%."

I don’t think anything about this is cut and dry. You may have a strong opinion on the matter, but at the most charitable it’s people doing their best in a murky situation

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by mac-attack »

pama wrote: post #101
TheAlchemist wrote: post #68

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Bad as to the credibility of the image they tried to sell in the beginning. If we agree it's a for profit company, and all this 'Open' stuff is just PR, then yes - it's not looking bad. It's just business.

I hear people complain about the 'Open' a lot recently, but I'm not sure I understand this type of concern. Publications, for companies, are always PR and recruitment efforts (independent of profit or nonprofit status). I recall that OpenAI were very clear about their long term intentions and plans for how to proceed since at least February of 2019 when they announced GPT2 and withheld the code and weights for about…

With all due respect, they are not doing a sleight of hand while selling widgets... they are in the process of reshaping society in a way that may have never been achieved previously. Finding out that their initial motives were a facade doesn't portend well for their morality as they continue to gain power.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by bbor »

Reubend wrote: post #13

Their evidence does a nice job of making Musk seem duplicitous, but it doesn't really refute any of his core assertions: they still have the appearance of abandoning their core mission to focus more on profits, even if they've elaborated a decent justification of why that's necessary to do. Or to put it more simply: here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betra…

Great analysis, thanks for taking the time.

  here they explain why they had to betray their core mission. But they don't refute that they did betray it.
Although they don’t spend nearly as much time on it, probably because it’s an entirely intuitive argument without any evidence, is that they could be “open” as in “for the public good” while still making closed models for profit. Aka the ends justify the means.

It’s a shame lawyers seem to think that the lawsuit is a badly argued joke, because I really don’t find that line of reasoning convincing…

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by boringg »

hackerlight wrote: post #73
Jensson wrote: post #45

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Elon makes plenty of companies, him making an AI company that he was in control of doesn't look bad or strange at all.

He was pushing them to do the thing he's suing them over. > Message to Elon: "A for-profit pivot might create a more sustainable revenue stream" > Elon: You are right ... and Tesla is the only path. Then 3 weeks later Elon gets kicked off the board, probably after a fight where he tried to make OpenAI become for-profit under Tesla. How can you not see how conniving this man is? The lawsuit is either a revenge play or…

Kicked off the board? Thats news to me.

Re: OpenAI and Elon Musk

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Post by bugglebeetle »

danenania wrote: post #107
bugglebeetle wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Public relations. What Musk has said about OpenAI is true: they abandoned their mission and sold themselves off to Microsoft in pursuit of profit, and have no intention of making the technology (or its rewards) widely available to all. They can’t counter any of these claims credibly, but can still (correctly) paint the messenger as arguing in bad faith to diminish their impact. Being right about all of this doesn’t a…

“have no intention of making the technology (or its rewards) widely available to all” Has any organization done more to make AI widely available to all? I can’t think of one. True, they’re not making the source code available. True, they’re making tons of money off it. But their most powerful AI is accessible to anyone with a credit card.

Yes, Meta, Mistral, Allen AI, and many others.
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