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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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If Musk's tens of millions in donations were in reliance on the charter and on statements made by sama, Brockman, etc., there's probably a standing argument there. Musk is very different than you or I -- he's a co-founder of the company and was very involved in its early work. I wouldn't guess that standing would be the issue they'd have trouble with (though I haven't read the complaint).

I don't see how being a former co-founder or a donor gives one standing for this. He has no ownership stake. He isn't a director or member of the organization. The thing he claims is a contract he's party to, isn't.

> former co-founder

I don't think there is such a thing. Once you co-found something, you are forever a co-founder of it. (Unless you have a time machine. Lacking such, nobody has ever un-founded anything, have they?)

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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It's worth reading the actual filing. It's very readable. https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/mu...

It's literally the title.

The title does not go into detail of the suit claims, which is what the comment I responded to asked about.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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I mean, there's about a hundred thousand startups built on top of their API. I'm sure most could switch to another model if they really needed, but if copyright is an issue, I'm not sure that would help.

If you've plugged your whole business into OAI's snake oil, you're an early adopter of technology and you'll likely be able to update the codebase appropriately. The sooner SCOTUS rules that training on copyrighted material is infringement, the better.

> you'll likely be able to update the codebase appropriately

Update the codebase to what exactly? Are there generative AI companies not training on copyrighted material that achieve anything even close to the results of gpt4? I'm not aware of any

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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>Surely GPT-4 would fail some exams Some? It does hilariously badly on basic math. With confidence, though.

Have you tried GPT recently on maths? Since they trained it to write code for maths questions it's got a lot better

Yes, I have.

It's hilarious.

Example

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Me: I have a small sack with yellow sand, and a big sack with blue sand of the same density.

I take some amount of sand from the small sack, and put it into the big sack. Then I take the same amount from the big sack, and put it into the small sack. Now both sacks contain some yellow and some blue sand. Is there more blue sand in the small sack or yellow sand in the big sack?

ChatGPT:

Let's denote the amount of sand transferred from one sack to the other and then back again as "X" kg. Here's what happens with each step:

After the first transfer: The small sack (originally all yellow sand) has its content reduced by X kg. The big sack (originally all blue sand) gains X kg of yellow sand but loses no blue sand.

After the second transfer: We take X kg from the big sack. Since this sack contains a mixture of blue and yellow sand, we need to determine the proportion of yellow and blue sand in this mixed X kg.

Before the second transfer, the big sack contains X kg of yellow sand and its original quantity of blue sand. Let's assume the original amount of blue sand doesn't change our calculation because we're considering the proportion of yellow to total sand when we take X kg out.

Therefore, when we take X kg out of the big sack, we're removing a proportion of yellow and blue sand based on their proportions in the sack at that moment. If the sack had a total mass of sand (before removing X) of "Original Blue + X", the proportion of yellow sand is X/(Original Blue + X), and the proportion of blue sand is "Original Blue"/(Original Blue + X).

However, the exact fraction of yellow and blue sands removed from the big sack will equate to the fractions present: i.e., if the sack had more blue than yellow, every scoop (in this case, the same amount X) will contain less yellow sand than blue sand by their ratios.

But here's the crucial understanding:

The amount of blue sand in the small sack is the amount of blue sand that was part of the X kg removed from the big sack during the second transfer.

The amount of yellow sand in the big sack after the second transfer is less than X, because some of the yellow sand (which came from the small sack originally) was taken back in the second transfer (since the mix removed contains both yellow and blue, not just yellow).

The critical mathematical realization comes from the mixture theory: when you remove a mix from a larger quantity containing varied parts, you dilute the concentration in the source. But since you're asking for a direct comparison after only a mutual exchange:

You will have removed less yellow from the big sack than you put in because you're removing a mix, meaning some of the original blue is also taken out. Thus, without needing to plug in specific values:

After the exchange, there will be more blue sand in the small sack than there is yellow sand in the big sack. This is because the portion taken back from the big sack contains both yellow and blue, reducing the amount of original yellow left in the big sack from X. Meanwhile, the small sack would have added to it an amount of blue sand equal to the portion of blue sand in the mixed X kg taken out during the second transfer, which has no prior removal, only an addition.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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“OpenAI has clearly sold out in a big way to one of the most dangerous and irresponsible companies on the planet” Find a couch and lay down before the vapors get too strong.

Listen I know that having an opinion and using superlatives when describing something makes me intrinsically uncool for breaking the all-encompassing kayfabe of total glibness required to be one of the Very Smart People on the Internet, but I think it's a warranted distinction for a company that has consistently been behind a lion's share of both legal and technological innovations that have pushed our world toward d…

> Listen I know that having an opinion and using superlatives when describing something makes me intrinsically uncool for breaking the all-encompassing kayfabe of total glibness required to be one of the Very Smart People on the Internet

Sorry my dumbass fell asleep by the end of that rant. Also, I fucking hate "smart people" so i take that as a deeply personal insult.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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But Musk claims X is the free speech town square but it isn't

X is definitely more free and allows more types of discourse than a year ago.

It isn't lmao. I've always seen people say pretty much what they want on Twitter unless it was super bigoted and even those posts were allowed at times. The only different is nazi content and that's a fact. Hence the reason why most of the banned users with the most followers were literally nazi/extremist users.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Have you tried GPT recently on maths? Since they trained it to write code for maths questions it's got a lot better

Yes, I have. It's hilarious. Example ======= Me: I have a small sack with yellow sand, and a big sack with blue sand of the same density. I take some amount of sand from the small sack, and put it into the big sack. Then I take the same amount from the big sack, and put it into the small sack. Now both sacks contain some yellow and some blue sand. Is there more blue sand in the small sack or yellow sand in the big sa…

That's not a math problem, it's a logic puzzle

It has literally zero mathematics involved

GPT still gets lots of logic puzzles wrong.

An example maths problem that it used to get wrong but now gets right is: "what is the square route of (5943/6) times 9"

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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It's missing the "I" part -- it's a token prediction scheme using math.

How does that preclude intelligence? A brain is just some neurons sending electrical pulses, can that be intelligence? Could a computer running a physics simulation of a brain generate intelligence?

I think the difference is that it's not really able to produce _new_ thought that isn't based entirely off existing data. It _has_ to have an existing dataset already otherwise it'll just produce random noise.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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> Indeed, as the November 2023 drama was unfolding, Microsoft’s CEO boasted that it would not matter “[i]f OpenAI disappeared tomorrow.” He explained that “[w]e have all the IP rights and all the capability.” “We have the people, we have the compute, we have the data, we have everything.” “We are below them, above them, around them.” Yikes. This technology definitely needs to be open source, especially if we get to t…

Just going to note that it is widely suspected that Hal Finney did much of the programming on PGP with Zimmermann taking the heat for him.

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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> Indeed, as the November 2023 drama was unfolding, Microsoft’s CEO boasted that it would not matter “[i]f OpenAI disappeared tomorrow.” He explained that “[w]e have all the IP rights and all the capability.” “We have the people, we have the compute, we have the data, we have everything.” “We are below them, above them, around them.” Yikes. This technology definitely needs to be open source, especially if we get to t…

Just going to note that it is widely suspected that Hal Finney did much of the programming on PGP with Zimmermann taking the heat for him.

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