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This got me thinking: Can the backpropagation algorithm be expressed as an equation? I assume this should always be possible using functional programming.

Are you talking about backpropagation in neural networks? Do you mean as a differential equation? It already is a normal algebraic equation.

Yes in neural networks. Backpropagation is probably worth more than the equation in the video. But it's an algorithm, which aren't usually expressed as equations.

Re: The Black-Scholes/Merton equation [video]

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There was a PBS NOVA episode about this.

https://vimeo.com/302855460

The question that seems obvious, but no one ever seems to talk about, is how the failure of LTCM paved the way for the subprime crisis of 2008.

I mean, did the elite financial world fail to learn the lesson, or did it simply learn the wrong one?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I never fully understood is there’s a free parameter in the equation (Implied Volatility)- which has no solid definition besides “the number that makes the rest of the equation work”. At that point… how much value are you really getting from the rest of the equation?

Former option trader here. The free parameter is actually the "thing" that you're actually trading when you trade an option. All the other parameters are just environmental, you look them up. The short story is that the implied vol is a sort of balancing price between how much the option loses in value over time vs how much you can make performing the hedge.

Was BS actually of any practical use? It just seems to be a fantasy like most maths in economics.

Re: The Black-Scholes/Merton equation [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Former option trader here. The free parameter is actually the "thing" that you're actually trading when you trade an option. All the other parameters are just environmental, you look them up. The short story is that the implied vol is a sort of balancing price between how much the option loses in value over time vs how much you can make performing the hedge.

Was BS actually of any practical use? It just seems to be a fantasy like most maths in economics.

Yes, it has some use. First of all, if you don't have a common model, it becomes impossible to talk about vol. So even if everyone uses their own model, they convert back into BS vol to talk about vol. Second, all models are wrong, but some models are useful. BS is a good starting point because it captures something that is relevant in option pricing, namely that uncertainty matters.

Re: The Black-Scholes/Merton equation [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Former option trader here. The free parameter is actually the "thing" that you're actually trading when you trade an option. All the other parameters are just environmental, you look them up. The short story is that the implied vol is a sort of balancing price between how much the option loses in value over time vs how much you can make performing the hedge.

Why do any of the other variables matter if the market is collectively fighting between "overpriced and underpriced" on premium/implied volatility?

They don't really matter. They are just things you look up in order to a get a number out for what the option costs in dollars.

Re: The Black-Scholes/Merton equation [video]

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There was a PBS NOVA episode about this. https://vimeo.com/302855460 The question that seems obvious, but no one ever seems to talk about, is how the failure of LTCM paved the way for the subprime crisis of 2008. I mean, did the elite financial world fail to learn the lesson, or did it simply learn the wrong one?

How would you connect the two events?

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Pure Black Scholes is not really that useful nowadays because of its key limitations, some can be easily fixed (dividends, no risk free rate, etc.) other cannot (constant volatility) which makes it only useful in areas like vol targeting where you want the volatility to be constant.

I feel like none of these really matter. It's "what is a 0DTE trading for on Robinhood" which is largely driven by supply/demand which does nothing but jack up the IV variable of the equation.

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I never fully understood is there’s a free parameter in the equation (Implied Volatility)- which has no solid definition besides “the number that makes the rest of the equation work”. At that point… how much value are you really getting from the rest of the equation?

I don’t believe any of the comments below address the meat of your question - what value are you getting from the equation ? I would answer- not much. You can think of BS as a curried function. Since all the other params are fixed, you can curry and get a reduced equation that only depends on IV and underlying. If you do that, then its just - you give me iv and underlying, i give you spot. So, for a given strike(fixe…

> If you do that, then its just - you give me iv and underlying, i give you spot.

But... what really happens (in my opinion) is... options makers or writers or whatever might set a price based on what they feel is fair/good for them/whatever

Then a bunch of people on Robinhood make memes over it, hammer the bid, IV goes to 160%, voila...

Why does "spot" price matter in that equation? Robinhood buyers + supply/demand are what drives IV in reality I feel.

Re: The Black-Scholes/Merton equation [video]

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There was a PBS NOVA episode about this. https://vimeo.com/302855460 The question that seems obvious, but no one ever seems to talk about, is how the failure of LTCM paved the way for the subprime crisis of 2008. I mean, did the elite financial world fail to learn the lesson, or did it simply learn the wrong one?

How would you connect the two events?

I don't know what the mathematical underpinnings of those mortgage-backed derivatives were, but I know someone somewhere looked at all that math and decided the risk burden was acceptable. No one said hey, wait, the model is only as good as the assumptions you feed into it. The movie The Big Short got at this, but it was just a movie with Steve Carell standing in for that shocked person who doesn't seem to have really existed until after the assumptions failed and the collapse was inevitable.

My point is you can't plead 20-20 hindsight.

Re: The Black-Scholes/Merton equation [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, put-call parity is the hedging argument [1]. Black-Scholes-(Merton) was a breakthrough because it lets one understand why the hedge works, and thereby hedge and price more precisely. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Put–call_parity

Wasn't the main breakthrough it's utility and accessibility, not precision? It's still quite generalized in that it assumes a flat volatility surface, which even traders in the pits intuitively knew was wrong (thus the emergent volatility smile after '87). What it did allow was for a single number (implied volatility) to function as the single knob to be dialed to move quotes up and down for convex instruments. There…

> Wasn't the main breakthrough its utility and accessibility, not precision?

Utility yes, accessibility no. It quantified the previously artistic. You may enjoy Peter Bernstein’s Against the Gods.

> pit traders were fine pricing different strikes at different vols

Former algorithmic options trader. We ate the former pit traders for breakfast. Modelling the volatility surface is an entire field, and to the extent problems in finance can be solved this is sort of one of them.

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