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Post by panick21_ »

khokhol wrote: post #410
panick21_ wrote: post #409

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Don't put words in my mouth. I have been studying Russian history as a hobby for decades. Ukraine is a fully independent country. I am against the Russian invasion of Ukraine. And I am pro-supporting Ukraine against Russia. That has nothing to with what I said.

I have been studying Russian history as a hobby for decades If you've been studying the topic for "decades", and then you say things like "they speak essentially the same language" (in reference to Russians and Ukrainians) -- then I don't know what to tell you.

First of all, many people in Ukraine speak Russian. So those people very clear 'speak essentially the same language'.

Second, I am Swiss and Swiss German is quite different then High German with somewhat different historical routes. When I was in Ukraine we were talking about languages and how they differ from each other and came to the conclusion that Swiss German High German was a reasonable comparison. In some way Swiss German is more different to German then Ukrainian to Russian.

I do consider Swiss German and High German 'essentially the same language' as well. Now if Germany invaded Switzerland I would likely also argue against the notion but that's just politics.

You can of course be nitpick and quibble with the term 'essentially', the fact is they are extremely close related languages.

There is a lot of interesting history of both nationalist movement trying to influence the language. Imperial Russian tried to make Ukrainian more Russian (generally promoting Pan-Slavic policy with Russia as the leader). Specially in the Pre-WW1 period when it became increasingly clear that Ukrainian nationalism was a potential disaster for Imperial Russia. Ukrainian nationalist did the opposite, tried to remove Russian influence and promote the differences. Language unification and dis-unification is an interesting aspect of all modern nationalist development and its always political.

Re: SpaceX discloses cause of Starship anomalies as it clears an FAA hurdle

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Post by ehsankia »

exodust wrote: post #398
ehsankia wrote: post #387

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> To me that sounds like the same person as he is on social media. So randomly claiming someone's a pedophile is somehow "the same" as wanting to put a dome on Mars because it's inspiring? I honestly don't see how you can say that sounds like the same person. > sharing what he finds to be worth sharing? Are we honestly looking at the same tweets? Just looked and his pinned tweet is about Mexico and asylum seekers, do…

> 'He's fully lost the plot.' His pinned tweet expresses concern about the border crisis, specifically the risk of undesirable people crossing the border. He's expressing what he cares about, is the parent's point. Abrasive or animated expression of views, isn't losing the plot. As for jokes about pronouns and other triggering issues, it can sometimes be defended when the joke is similar to the Gemini jokes. That is,…

> He's expressing what he cares about, is the parent's point

And my point is that he used to care about inspiring stuff, now he spends all his time caring about useless culture wars.

Re: SpaceX discloses cause of Starship anomalies as it clears an FAA hurdle

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Post by khokhol »

panick21_ wrote: post #411
khokhol wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been studying Russian history as a hobby for decades If you've been studying the topic for "decades", and then you say things like "they speak essentially the same language" (in reference to Russians and Ukrainians) -- then I don't know what to tell you.

First of all, many people in Ukraine speak Russian. So those people very clear 'speak essentially the same language'. Second, I am Swiss and Swiss German is quite different then High German with somewhat different historical routes. When I was in Ukraine we were talking about languages and how they differ from each other and came to the conclusion that Swiss German High German was a reasonable comparison. In some way…

First of all, many people in Ukraine speak Russian. So those people very clear 'speak essentially the same language'.

Yikes - you definitely lost me there, man. I'm going to have to let you hash this stuff out on your own.

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Post by falcor84 »

ajkjk wrote: post #406
falcor84 wrote: post #400

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My understanding is that the market, which rewards and punishes your predictions is what makes one a better predictor.

Right, but that doesn't do anything unless there's life-savings-amounts of money on the line such that anyone is incentivized to actually try. And even when people are incentivized, just look at the stock market for clear evidence that it doesn't work: a market doesn't magically make people good at things; people screw up and lose bets and go bankrupt all the time. Sure some of the decently-competent banks and hedge…

You're of course that it's not yet as sophisticated as the stock exchange, but I wouldn't be as dismissive of the importance people attach to internet points.

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Post by greedo »

khokhol wrote: post #413
panick21_ wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, many people in Ukraine speak Russian. So those people very clear 'speak essentially the same language'. Second, I am Swiss and Swiss German is quite different then High German with somewhat different historical routes. When I was in Ukraine we were talking about languages and how they differ from each other and came to the conclusion that Swiss German High German was a reasonable comparison. In some way…

First of all, many people in Ukraine speak Russian. So those people very clear 'speak essentially the same language'. Yikes - you definitely lost me there, man. I'm going to have to let you hash this stuff out on your own.

His thread is amazing. Most pilots worldwide speak English, so naturally, all pilots are basically from the same country...

Re: SpaceX discloses cause of Starship anomalies as it clears an FAA hurdle

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Post by dghlsakjg »

ghufran_syed wrote: post #346
dghlsakjg wrote: post #260

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Maybe. The fundamental physics involved in suborbital flights mean that you are likely experiencing sustained acceleration of 3+ Gs minimum. That is a lot, something near the max g force of a roller coaster but lasting for minutes. Combine that with the launch/landing zones needing to be many miles from anything, and it isn't really ready for primetime. Just for reference 1.3 Gs is the max sustained load you will fee…

If you’re a military unit about to get wiped out by an enemy force due to running out of ammo, I imagine getting 100 tons of ammo in 1 hour vs in 19 hours would be a big difference?

The scenario where you have access to a space launch system, and an LZ at the front, and abundant supplies on the opposite side of the earth, but your logistics have failed to keep supplies in theater doesn't exist.

Forces that run out of ammo don't have access to cutting edge ICBMs is a rule that I would bet money on.

Re: SpaceX discloses cause of Starship anomalies as it clears an FAA hurdle

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Post by panick21_ »

greedo wrote: post #415
khokhol wrote: post #413

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, many people in Ukraine speak Russian. So those people very clear 'speak essentially the same language'. Yikes - you definitely lost me there, man. I'm going to have to let you hash this stuff out on your own.

His thread is amazing. Most pilots worldwide speak English, so naturally, all pilots are basically from the same country...

I mean speak Russian as a first language. This is literally a factually correct statement.

Re: SpaceX discloses cause of Starship anomalies as it clears an FAA hurdle

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Post by exodust »

ehsankia wrote: post #412
exodust wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 'He's fully lost the plot.' His pinned tweet expresses concern about the border crisis, specifically the risk of undesirable people crossing the border. He's expressing what he cares about, is the parent's point. Abrasive or animated expression of views, isn't losing the plot. As for jokes about pronouns and other triggering issues, it can sometimes be defended when the joke is similar to the Gemini jokes. That is,…

> He's expressing what he cares about, is the parent's point And my point is that he used to care about inspiring stuff, now he spends all his time caring about useless culture wars.

Again, as objectively as I can, it looks like he believes the country is having an existential crisis deserving of his attention.

"Useless" is your opinion, not an objective measure. "Culture wars" is a trope designed to broadly smear the target, disregarding specifics.

Do you want Musk to be an inspiration vending machine? Your insistence he tighten his inspiration schedule to meet your expectations, is odd.

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Post by TMWNN »

croes wrote: post #173
neverrroot wrote: post #131

Elon bringing excitement to the human race. His way of pushing through is something that gives me hope in the capabilities of humanity.

>pushing through It's basically still the same technology as the first rockets, just bigger. We have more and cheaper satellite launches, but we're not really any closer to colonising space. That's Musk's trick, selling revolution, delivering evolution.

> That's Musk's trick, selling revolution, delivering evolution.

Good god. SpaceX is doing "more and cheaper satellite launches", as you so dismiss them, on a scale and at a cost utterly unachievable by anyone else today. Not Russia, despite 65 years of spaceflight experience and an entire nation state's resources. Not ESA, despite resources of dozens of the wealthiest and most sophisticated nations on Earth. Not NASA itself.

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Post by ajkjk »

falcor84 wrote: post #414
ajkjk wrote: post #406

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, but that doesn't do anything unless there's life-savings-amounts of money on the line such that anyone is incentivized to actually try. And even when people are incentivized, just look at the stock market for clear evidence that it doesn't work: a market doesn't magically make people good at things; people screw up and lose bets and go bankrupt all the time. Sure some of the decently-competent banks and hedge…

You're of course that it's not yet as sophisticated as the stock exchange, but I wouldn't be as dismissive of the importance people attach to internet points.

The problem isn't that they don't place importance in them. It's that there is nothing weeding out failure. Financial incentives in principle (although definitely not very well in practice lol) punish failure in a resilient way: you actually can't keep betting if you can't win. Where... I don't think that's true for prediction markets?

Anyway, I dunno. I also don't believe that people predict well even with incentives, and think the whole thing is a farce, so I'm just a pretty dogged skeptic.

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