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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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I find myself in the weird position of still thinking Musk is upset about this for pettier reasons than he alleges but still being super glad he's bringing this suit. OpenAI has clearly sold out in a big way to one of the most dangerous and irresponsible companies on the planet and someone with pockets this deep needed to bring this suit for there to be any chance of any accountability even being possible given the s…

Anybody can be a useful idiot, why not Elon Musk? Although I share your evaluation that he is likely in it for petty reasons.

Never hurts to be useful, right?

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AI is going to continue to have incremental progress, particularly now in hardware gains. No one can even define what AGI is or what it will look like, let alone be something that OpenAI would own? Features progress is too incremental to suddenly pop out with "AGI". Fighting about it seems a distraction.

Progress is definitely not inremental, it's exponential. The same performance (training an LLM with a given perplexity) can be achieved 5x cheaper next year while the amount of money deep learning infrastructure gets increases exponentially right now. If this method is able to get to AGI (which I believe but many people are debating), human intelligence will just be mostly ,,skipped'', and won't be a clear point.

In nature, exponential curves reveal themselves to be sigmoidal on a long enough time scale. Since you're on HN you probably have a mathematical bent, and you should know that.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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If OpenAI became a non-profit with this in its charter: “resulting technology will benefit the public and the corporation will seek to open source technology for the public benefit when applicable. The corporation is not organized for the private gain of any person" I don't think it is going to be hard to show that they are doing something very different than what they said they were going to do.

So much of the discussion here is about being a non-profit, but per your quote I think the key is open source. Here we have people investing in an open source company, and the company never opened their source. Rather than open source technology everyone could profit from, they kept everything closed and sold exclusive access. I think it is going to be hard for OpenAI to defend their behavior, and a huge amount of da…

They publish the source code for Whisper...

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Same with Musk,'s warning about the dangers of AI but then he released one too.

This is my main question, how open is Tesla's FSD "AI"? Why is it okay for his AI to be closed with a direct path of killing/harming people?

Parent might have been talking about Twitter's Grok AI?

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GPT-4 with code interpreter is better at math than elite Math undergrads.

You must be using a different GPT-4 than me. I recently tried to get it to reason about probability distributions arising from combining multiple probability distributions and it immediately started hallucinating.

Enable the code interpreter. It isn't enabled by default.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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I find myself in the weird position of still thinking Musk is upset about this for pettier reasons than he alleges but still being super glad he's bringing this suit. OpenAI has clearly sold out in a big way to one of the most dangerous and irresponsible companies on the planet and someone with pockets this deep needed to bring this suit for there to be any chance of any accountability even being possible given the s…

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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> It says precisely what Musk claims it says. Almost. Musk uses an ellipsis in his copy in the text that elides some text that is rather detrimental to his claims: > In furtherance of its purposes, the corporation shall engage in any lawful act of activity for which nonprofit corporations may be organized under the General Corporation Law of Delaware.

Eh. That's boilerplate and is probably in every charter of every organization incorporated in Delaware.

So? Boilerplate is there for a reason, usually because previous lawsuits or decisions made it clear that that boilerplate needs to be there for protecting against specific things.

And if the argument is "its just boilerplate, the court shouldn't take it seriously", that's an argument I can get behind for something like a EULA - but not for an article incorporating a non-profit whose signatories include incredibly rich and high-profile individuals, who either had their lawyers comb over this contract, or should've done so. "I didn't realize what I was signing" is not a particularly valid excuse coming from Elon Musk.

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>Surely GPT-4 would fail some exams Some? It does hilariously badly on basic math. With confidence, though.

GPT-4 with code interpreter is better at math than elite Math undergrads.

I co-authored a published mathematics paper on knot theory[1] and wrote software that did the computations (and generated diagrams) in that paper as a Math undergrad, and I don't consider myself elite (though I did went on to get a PhD).

It seems like you have a very low bar for "elite", a very limited definition of "math", and a very peculiar one of "better at".

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/0801.3253

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>Surely GPT-4 would fail some exams Some? It does hilariously badly on basic math. With confidence, though.

GPT-4 with code interpreter is better at math than elite Math undergrads.

>GPT-4 with code interpreter is better at math than elite Math undergrads.

Yeah, and I just spent $20 to call BS on what you said.

GPT-4 just bullshits with confidence. I don't see how code interpeter can possibly help here.

Behold:

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Me: I drew three arrows on a piece of paper starting at the same point, pointing left, up, and diagonally (up and right). Do they represent linearly independent vectors?

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ChatGPT: In this case, you have described three different arrows pointing in unique directions:

One pointing left, which can be represented as a vector, say, [-1,0] in a two-dimensional space (using standard Cartesian coordinates).

One pointing up, which can be represented as a vector, say, [0, 1].

One pointing diagonally up and to the right, which could be represented as a vector, say, [1,1].

For these vectors to be linearly independent, no vector can be expressed as a linear combination of the others. In other words, there's no way to add or subtract scaled versions of any two vectors to get the third.

Looking at the vectors you've described:

The first vector represents movement purely in the horizontal direction. The second vector represents movement purely in the vertical direction. The third vector represents movement in both directions simultaneously.

Because none of these vectors can be created by scaling and adding the other two (for example, you can't add or subtract any combination of the first and second vectors to get the third one), they are linearly independent.

In mathematical terms, if we form a matrix with these vectors as columns, the determinant of this matrix would not be zero (a non-zero determinant indicates linear independence for the columns of the matrix). This is a more formal way to show their independence, but based on their directions and the explanation above, these vectors are indeed linearly independent.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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I might be too generous, but my interpretation is that the ground changed so fast that they needed to shift to continue the mission given the new reality. After ChatGPT, every for-profit and its dog is going hard. Talent can join the only Mother Teresa in the middle, or compete with them as they stupidly open all the source the second they discover anything. You can’t compete with the biggest labs in the world who ha…

All of this was intentional. The goal the whole time was to eventually pull the rug out from the non-profit. This should be considered fraud.

The original charter is nothing more than a marketing copy. And companies are legally allowed to change their marketing copy over time and are not bound to stick to it in behavior. The marketing was for the investors and they should be the first to know that such promises are subject to how reality unfolds. In other words a team can raise money by promising milestones but they are allowed to pivot the whole business and not just abandon milestones if the reality of the business demands it.
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