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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Their position evolved. Many people at the time disagreed that having open source AGI - putting it in the hands of many people - was the best way to mitigate the potential danger. Note that this original stance of OpenAI was before they started playing with transformers and having anything that was beginning to look like AI/AGI. Around the time of GPT-3 was when they said "this might be dangerous, we're going to hold…

> fresh information What fresh information?

They were founded on the premise that some large player (specifically Google) would develop AGI, keep it closed, and maybe not develop it in the best interests (safety) of the public. The founding charter was essentially to try to ensure that AI was developed safely, which at the time they believed would be best done by making it open source and available to everyone (this was anyways contentious from day 1 - a bit like saying the best defense against bio-hackers is to open source the DNA for Ebola).

What goes unsaid, perhaps, is that back then (before the transformer had even been invented, before AlphaGo, what people might have imagined AGI to look like (some kind of sterile super-intelligence) was very different from the LLM-based "AGI" that eventually emerged.

So, what changed, what was the fresh information that warranted a change of opinion that open source was not the safest approach?

I'd say a few things.

1) As it turned out, OpenAI themselves were the first to develop a fledgling AGI, so they were not in the role they envisaged of open sourcing something to counteract an evil closed source competitor.

2) The LLM-based form of AGI that OpenAI developed was really not what anyone imagined it would be. The danger of what OpenAI developed, so far, isn't some doomsday "AI takes over the world" scenario, but rather that it's inherently a super-toxic chatbot (did you see OpenAI's examples of how it was before RLHF ?!) that is potentially disruptive and negative to society because of what it is rather than because of it's intelligence. The danger (and remedy) is not, so far, what OpenAI originally thought it would be.

3) OpenAI have been quite open about this in the past: Musk leaving, being their major source of funds, forced OpenAI to make changes in how they were funded. At the same time as this was happening (around GPT 2.0), it was becoming evident how extraordinarily expensive this unanticipated path to AGI was going to be to continue developing (Altman has indicated a cost of $100M+ to train GPT-3 - maybe including hardware). They were no longer looking for a benefactor like Musk willing/able to donate a few $10's of millions, but needed a partner able to put billions into the effort, which necessitated an investor expecting a return on investment, and hence the corporate structure change to accommodate that.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Unfortunately you can also easily show that they ARE doing these things too. Open source. Check - they have open source software available. Private Gain of any person. Check (Not hard to see it's a non-profit. People that make private money from a non-profit is obviously excluded) Now to me, personally, I think all non-profits are for-profit enterprises. The "mission" in nearly all cases isn't for the "people it serv…

I don't expect a case against OpenAI to be given the leeway to bring into question the entire notion of a nonprofit. There are long standing laws (and case law) for nonprofit entities, it won't all get thrown out here.

Any case law dealing with companies with similar non-profit-Founding Agreements pivoting to for-profit companies?

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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If OpenAI became a non-profit with this in its charter: “resulting technology will benefit the public and the corporation will seek to open source technology for the public benefit when applicable. The corporation is not organized for the private gain of any person" I don't think it is going to be hard to show that they are doing something very different than what they said they were going to do.

Taking into account, the reported reason Elon Musk departed from the project, is because he wanted OpenAI to merge with Tesla, and he would take complete control of the project, this lawsuit smells of hypocrisy.

"The secret history of Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and OpenAI" - https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-histor...

But that was to be expected, from the guy who forced his employees to go work with Covid and claimed danger of Covid infection to show up at a Twitter aquisition deposition...

"Tesla gave workers permission to stay home rather than risk getting covid-19. Then it sent termination notices." - https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/06/25/tesla-p...

"Musk declined to attend in-person Twitter deposition, citing COVID exposure risk" - https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/3675282-musk-de...

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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See The Linux Foundation, they don’t seem to have this problem.

I used to work for an opensource organization full time. They used to rely on contracting for revenue. It wasnt a lot but it was sufficient to keep the org going for 10 years.

Nowadays the market is much more competitive. "Just find some contracts" is not helpful. Clients expect fast delivery and immediate reactions. I have several people spending their full time on just looking for contracts, and it's still not enough.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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It says "will seek to open source technology for the public benefit when applicable" they have open sourced a number of things, Whisper most notably. Nothing about that is a promise to open source everything and they just need to say it wasn't applicable for ChatGPT or DallE because of safety.

I doubt the safety argument will hold up in court. Anything safe enough to allow Microsoft or others access too would be safe enough to release publicly. Our AI overlords are not going to respect an NDA. And for the public safety/disinformation side of things, I think it is safe to say that cat is out of the bag and chasing the horse that has bolted.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.03348

This seems to make a decent argument that these models are potentially not safe. I prefer criminals don't have access to a PhD bomb making assistants who can explain the process to them like they are 12. While the cat may be out of the bag, you don't just hand out guns to everyone (for free) because a few people misused them.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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An interesting nugget, Musk is here claiming that GPT-4 is already AGI, and therefore not covered by the MS licensing deal.

We're going to need a new acronym once AGI is taken to mean "a really good LLM", and not, you know, AGI.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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This is a good case. If openAI gives mr musk access to the gpt 4 weights he can tune it to solve the twitter bot problem

Musk already solved the Twitter bot problem. That was one of his main goals, and he did it by introducing the paid blue checkmark.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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I don't expect a case against OpenAI to be given the leeway to bring into question the entire notion of a nonprofit. There are long standing laws (and case law) for nonprofit entities, it won't all get thrown out here.

Any case law dealing with companies with similar non-profit-Founding Agreements pivoting to for-profit companies?

Not that I'm aware of, though its definitely not my area.

I can't think of another example of a nonprofit that was so financially viable that it converted to for-profit though, usually a nonprofit just closes down.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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>Surely GPT-4 would fail some exams Some? It does hilariously badly on basic math. With confidence, though.

GPT-4 with code interpreter is better at math than elite Math undergrads.

You must be using a different GPT-4 than me. I recently tried to get it to reason about probability distributions arising from combining multiple probability distributions and it immediately started hallucinating.
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