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California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by NewJazz »

clay_the_ripper wrote: post #9

As a resident, I don’t support this at all. Waymos are annoying to have on the road - they go extremely slowly (with good reason) and make weird traffic moves. Do we want our roads getting clogged up with super slow taxis that steal jobs from ordinary people and give them to the tech industry?

This is a complicated comment.

Do they really drive that slow... Or just, like, the speed limit? Or generally safe(r) driving speeds? All things equal, slower is safer!

Why would roads be anymore clogged than they are already? Because transportation becomes cheaper? So should we jack up fuel prices or insurance prices so there are fewer cars on the road? Real questions.

And onto the "stealing jobs" comment... Under this ethos, why would anyone automate any task?

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by NewJazz »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #27
clay_the_ripper wrote: post #9

As a resident, I don’t support this at all. Waymos are annoying to have on the road - they go extremely slowly (with good reason) and make weird traffic moves. Do we want our roads getting clogged up with super slow taxis that steal jobs from ordinary people and give them to the tech industry?

>> Do we want our roads getting clogged up with super slow taxis Can't we just pass some laws that require Waymos to drive above the speed limit at all times, like normal drivers?

Please be irony.

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by bossyTeacher »

Kronopath wrote: post #15
afhjafh3883 wrote: post #7

Has anyone tried it recently? Does it work well? How does the price compare to Uber?

In SF, up-front prices have been comparable to Uber’s, except that you don’t have to pay tip, which automatically makes it 15–20% cheaper. The few times I’ve tried it, the service has been good and its driving was safe. The only downside is that there seems to sometimes be longer wait times.

In europe, you don't pay tips to uber drivers. Surely, if the tip is compulsory, it should be called a service fee

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by matsemann »

zk wrote: post #14

This is incredible news. In the next 10 years more and more transportation will shift to self driving and save thousands of lives and prevent many more injuries. Already in San Francisco waymo's are and feel much safer than human driven rideshare.

While autonomous driving helps a bit on safety, that's just one of the many issues with the car dependence in our society. It might even expand the issues, if it ends up with less people using public transport and relying on these kinds of things.

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by whimsicalism »

afhjafh3883 wrote: post #7

Has anyone tried it recently? Does it work well? How does the price compare to Uber?

Ranges from slightly cheaper to a lot more than uber (usually about equal or slightly cheaper if you count tip)

Pickup time is significantly more, especially if you are trying to get picked up in the west of the city

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by simplicitea »

tempest_ wrote: post #24
austinkhale wrote: post #8

Fantastic news. I use them all the time in Phoenix. My mom uses them to get to her doctor appointments. I think people underestimate how much of a quality of life improvement these are for people even when compared to Uber/Lyft.

> people underestimate how much of a quality of life improvement these are for people even when compared to Uber/Lyft I do underestimate it. What are quality of life improvements? Seems to be the same thing from a customer perspective. I guess if you are concerned for your safety from the uber driver it is an improvement but it is the only one that comes to mind.

I was about to ask the same thing; I have a hard time seeing the ways it ends up a net gain when driving is still a decent job for a lot of people, and rideshare drivers keep to themselves anyways

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by whimsicalism »

milesskorpen wrote: post #12
afhjafh3883 wrote: post #7

Has anyone tried it recently? Does it work well? How does the price compare to Uber?

My impression, using it ~1x/week in SF: Slightly more expensive than uber (+10%?). Takes a bit longer to show up (+25%?). Utterly magical experience.

where I live, show up time is usually around 7-20 minutes compared to around 2-4 for Uber. in the west of the city, it is more commonly ~15-20

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by NewJazz »

tempest_ wrote: post #24
austinkhale wrote: post #8

Fantastic news. I use them all the time in Phoenix. My mom uses them to get to her doctor appointments. I think people underestimate how much of a quality of life improvement these are for people even when compared to Uber/Lyft.

> people underestimate how much of a quality of life improvement these are for people even when compared to Uber/Lyft I do underestimate it. What are quality of life improvements? Seems to be the same thing from a customer perspective. I guess if you are concerned for your safety from the uber driver it is an improvement but it is the only one that comes to mind.

Yeah that one comes to mind. Personal safety is often a factor influencing public transit decisions as well.

Re: California Approves Waymo Expansion to Los Angeles and SF Peninsula [pdf]

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Post by whimsicalism »

bossyTeacher wrote: post #33
Kronopath wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In SF, up-front prices have been comparable to Uber’s, except that you don’t have to pay tip, which automatically makes it 15–20% cheaper. The few times I’ve tried it, the service has been good and its driving was safe. The only downside is that there seems to sometimes be longer wait times.

In europe, you don't pay tips to uber drivers. Surely, if the tip is compulsory, it should be called a service fee

it's not compulsory and culture is different in US
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