FWIW, Musk's named lead counsel Morgan Chu is an extremely high-powered lawyer, one of the best-regarded IP trial lawyers around. (Decades ago we had a client in common.) One of his brothers is Dr. Steven Chu, Nobel laureate in physics and former Secretary of Energy.
Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
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#642> GPT-4 is an AGI algorithm That claim is audacious.
I mean, I definitely disagree with the statement that GPT-4 is an AGI, but OpenAI themselves define an AGI in their charter as an AI that is better than the median human at most economically valuable work. Even when taking that into consideration I don't consider GPT-4 to be an AGI, but you can see how someone might make attempt to make a convincing argument. Personally though, I think this definition of AGI sets the…
So what is the term for actual AI now? ASI?
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#643Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is the charter legally binding? Is it unchangeable? A single quote doesn't tell us much.
Going to the IRS and saying, "This is how we plan to benefit humanity and because of that, we shouldn't have to pay income tax." and then coming back later and saying, "We decided to do the opposite of what we said." is likely to create some problems.
I don't understand what point your example or analogy is illustrating. Can you state the point you are making?
No one is alleging OpenAI committed tax fraud.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#644Any competent lawyer is going to get Musk on the stand reiterating his opinions about the danger of AI. If the tech really is dangerous then being more closed arguably is in the public's best interest, and this is certainly the reason OpenAI have previously given. Not saying I agree that being closed source is in the public good, although one could certainly argue that accelerating the efforts of bad actors to catch…
>If the tech really is dangerous then being more closed arguably is in the public's best interest, and this is certainly the reason OpenAI have previously given. Tell about a technology you think but dangerous, and I'll give you fifty way to kill someone with it. Plastic bag for example, are not only potentially dangerous, they make a significant contribution to the current mass extinction of biodiversity.
"Plastic bag for example, are not only potentially dangerous, they make a significant contribution to the current mass extinction of biodiversity."
That is news to me, how exactly do they significantly contribute?
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#645Man that is thick.
- Elon Musk founded OpenAI in 2015 with Sam Altman and Dario Amodei to develop artificial general intelligence (AGI) that would benefit humanity, not for-profit interests? - OpenAI was established as a non-profit with the goal of open-sourcing its technology when possible? - In 2020, OpenAI licensed its GPT-3 language model exclusively to Microsoft, going against its mission? - By 2023, Microsoft researchers said GPT-4 demonstrated early signs of AGI capabilities. However, OpenAI did not make it openly available? - In 2023, Sam Altman and Dario Amodei took actions that led to a change in OpenAI's board and direction towards profiting Microsoft over public benefit? - The plaintiff alleges this violated the original agreement between Musk, Altman and Amodei to develop AGI for humanity's benefit as a non-profit? - The plaintiff is seeking damages and to compel OpenAI to return to its original non-profit mission of developing safe and openly available AGI? - Key concerns are that for-profit interests now influence whether OpenAI technology is deemed an AGI and how it is used? - The change in direction away from the non-profit public interest mission damaged public trust in OpenAI? - The suit alleges OpenAI's actions constitute unfair business practices under California law?
I guess we will see if these are answered. Personally, I do not trust Musk nor Altman. Approach them from a corner is what I am saying. OpenAI while their idiot savant in chatGPT is interesting. It is hardly worth paying for with such vast gulfs between good and useable answers and the usual terrible or lazy ones you get normally. While it is important to have a basic ruleset for AI, not when it comes to making it pre-k playground rules. No innovation can be truly had with such onerous and too polite rules today. Narrow AI indeed.
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#646Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't this how drugs get developed? Even worse, the research is done using public funds, and then privatized and commercialized later.
The research is an inconsequential percentage of the development cost, essentially a rounding error. Those commercial development organizations foot almost the entire bill and take all of the risk.
But wouldn't the pharmaceutical companies do it themselves in-house then?
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#647Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If the tech really is dangerous then being more closed arguably is in the public's best interest, and this is certainly the reason OpenAI have previously given. Not really. It slows down like security over obscurity. It needs to be open that we know the real risks and we have the best information to combat it. Otherwise, someone who does the same in closed matter, has better chances to get advantage when misusing i…
Just like nuclear weapons? The whole “security through obscurity doesn’t work” is absolute nonsense. It absolutely works and there are countless real world examples. What doesn’t work is relying on that as your ONLY security.
Nuclear weapons can definitely be replicated. The U.S. and allies aggressively control the hard to get materials and actively sabotage programs that work on it.
And the countries that want nukes have some anyway, even if they are not as good.
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#648This is all fascinating, I'm sure, but frankly, I'm getting weary of tech drama viz. reality TV masquerading as reality.
Rocket Man and Orange Man have more in common than I _ever_ would have imagined if you'd asked me five years ago.
Have fun y'all. I'm resisting the clickbait and going back to building things and trying to get a stable paycheck.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#649Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#650Earlier quoted context omitted.
yeah, the lawyers will have the whole case on those two words: "where applicable"
Yep - the very existence of a widespread concern that open sourcing would be counter to AI safety, and thus not "for the public benefit," would likely it very hard to find OpenAI in violation of that commitment. (Not a lawyer, not legal advice.)
Given there have is a thriving open source AI scene, not sure how it would stand.