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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by croes »

sema4hacker wrote: post #281

A NY Times article says "Though Mr. Musk has repeatedly criticized OpenAI for becoming a for-profit company, he hatched a plan in 2017 to wrest control of the A.I. lab from Mr. Altman and its other founders and transform into a commercial operation that would work alongside his other companies, including the electric carmaker Tesla, and make use of their increasingly powerful supercomputers, people familiar with his…

Same with Musk,'s warning about the dangers of AI but then he released one too.

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Post by matthewmacleod »

tw04 wrote: post #606
nicce wrote: post #588

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the tech really is dangerous then being more closed arguably is in the public's best interest, and this is certainly the reason OpenAI have previously given. Not really. It slows down like security over obscurity. It needs to be open that we know the real risks and we have the best information to combat it. Otherwise, someone who does the same in closed matter, has better chances to get advantage when misusing i…

Just like nuclear weapons? The whole “security through obscurity doesn’t work” is absolute nonsense. It absolutely works and there are countless real world examples. What doesn’t work is relying on that as your ONLY security.

This is a broken comparison IMO because you can’t instantly and freely duplicate nuclear weapons across the planet and then offer them up to everyone for low marginal cost and effort.

The tech exists, and will rapidly become easy to access. There is approximately zero chance of it remaining behind lock and key.

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aleksandrh wrote: post #610

> Indeed, as the November 2023 drama was unfolding, Microsoft’s CEO boasted that it would not matter “[i]f OpenAI disappeared tomorrow.” He explained that “[w]e have all the IP rights and all the capability.” “We have the people, we have the compute, we have the data, we have everything.” “We are below them, above them, around them.” Yikes. This technology definitely needs to be open source, especially if we get to t…

If we get to the point of AGI then it doesn’t matter much; the singularity will inevitably occur and the moment that AGI exists, corporations (and the concept of IP) are obsolete and irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if the gap between AGI existing and the singularity is ten hours, ten weeks, ten months, or ten years.

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aleksandrh wrote: post #610

> Indeed, as the November 2023 drama was unfolding, Microsoft’s CEO boasted that it would not matter “[i]f OpenAI disappeared tomorrow.” He explained that “[w]e have all the IP rights and all the capability.” “We have the people, we have the compute, we have the data, we have everything.” “We are below them, above them, around them.” Yikes. This technology definitely needs to be open source, especially if we get to t…

Just going to note that it is widely suspected that Hal Finney did much of the programming on PGP with Zimmermann taking the heat for him.

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Post by Jeff_Brown »

aleksandrh wrote: post #610

> Indeed, as the November 2023 drama was unfolding, Microsoft’s CEO boasted that it would not matter “[i]f OpenAI disappeared tomorrow.” He explained that “[w]e have all the IP rights and all the capability.” “We have the people, we have the compute, we have the data, we have everything.” “We are below them, above them, around them.” Yikes. This technology definitely needs to be open source, especially if we get to t…

I don't trust OpenAI or Microsoft, but I don't have much faith in democratization either. We wouldn't do that with nukes, after all.

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Post by MiscIdeaMaker99 »

zoogeny wrote: post #233
BitWiseVibe wrote: post #70

Wouldn't you have to prove damages in a lawsuit like this? What damages does Musk personally suffer if OpenAI has in fact broken their contract?

I don't know how comparable it would be, but I imagine if I donated $44 million to a university under the agreement that they would use the money in a particular way (e.g. to build a specific building or to fund a specific program) and then the university used the money in some other way, I feel I ought to have some standing to sue them. Of course, this all depends on the investment details specified in a contract an…

Was it a donation? Or was it an investment?

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Post by anotherhue »

aleksandrh wrote: post #610

> Indeed, as the November 2023 drama was unfolding, Microsoft’s CEO boasted that it would not matter “[i]f OpenAI disappeared tomorrow.” He explained that “[w]e have all the IP rights and all the capability.” “We have the people, we have the compute, we have the data, we have everything.” “We are below them, above them, around them.” Yikes. This technology definitely needs to be open source, especially if we get to t…

> A powerful technology is a danger to society if only a few people possess it. By giving it to everyone, you even the playing field.

Except nukes. Only allies can have nukes.

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Post by jart »

aleksandrh wrote: post #610

> Indeed, as the November 2023 drama was unfolding, Microsoft’s CEO boasted that it would not matter “[i]f OpenAI disappeared tomorrow.” He explained that “[w]e have all the IP rights and all the capability.” “We have the people, we have the compute, we have the data, we have everything.” “We are below them, above them, around them.” Yikes. This technology definitely needs to be open source, especially if we get to t…

Works already been done for the most part. Mixtral is to GPT what Linux was to Windows. Mistral AI has been doing such a good job democratizing Microsoft's advantage that Microsoft is beginning to invest in them.

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Post by rchaud »

standardUser wrote: post #328
rchaud wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are right, but regulatory sleight of hand is what passes for capitalism now. Remember Uber and Airbnb dodging regulations by calling themselves "ride-sharing" and "room-sharing" services? Amazon dodging sales taxes because it didn't have a physical retail location? Companies going public via SPAC to dodge the scrutiny of a standard IPO?

This is not new. Companies have always done everything they can legally, and sometimes illegally, to maximize profit. If we ever expect otherwise shame on us.

It might not be new, but the growth rate of such shenanigans across all aspects of our economy isn't exactly a positive indicator.

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Post by hattmall »

sensanaty wrote: post #244

I don't even particularly like Musk, but I definitely despise M$ and their comic-book tier villanous shenanigans even more. Here's to hoping M$ gets fucked in this.

Musk is an arrogant psychopath that's unable to find joy or happiness in anyway similar to normal people. But I at least feel that he has a genuine vision of using technology to actually to improve normal people's lives.
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