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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
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#602This is a good case. If openAI gives mr musk access to the gpt 4 weights he can tune it to solve the twitter bot problem
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#603Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If the tech really is dangerous then being more closed arguably is in the public's best interest, and this is certainly the reason OpenAI have previously given. Not really. It slows down like security over obscurity. It needs to be open that we know the real risks and we have the best information to combat it. Otherwise, someone who does the same in closed matter, has better chances to get advantage when misusing i…
This only holds if defense outscales attack. It seems very likely that attack outscales defense to me with LLMs.
Well then, isn’t the whole case about just denying the inevitable?
If OpenAI can do it, I would not say that that is very unlikely for someone else to do the same. Open or not. The best chance is still that we prepare with the best available information.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#604A NY Times article says "Though Mr. Musk has repeatedly criticized OpenAI for becoming a for-profit company, he hatched a plan in 2017 to wrest control of the A.I. lab from Mr. Altman and its other founders and transform into a commercial operation that would work alongside his other companies, including the electric carmaker Tesla, and make use of their increasingly powerful supercomputers, people familiar with his…
Could he be the one behind the recent coup at OpenAI, as well?
My impression from all the stuff I’ve looked at was that one board member wrote a paper praising Anthropic’s approach with implied (or not so implied?) criticism of OpenAI’s approach. This got Altman furious. So he was going to each board member and subtly (or not so subtly?) presenting a case for her removal, using whatever reasoning, sometimes contradictory, he could tack on, maybe trying to intimidate some into compliance. This approach may have rubbed them the wrong way? Those board members communicated with each other and noted the contradictions, so they summarily fired him without consulting lawyers and without gathering a workable case file to present to stakeholders and the public. Without Altman’s relationships with the largest funders, employees got nervous and wanted information the board was rather embarrassed not to have, exacerbating the anxiety in the workforce. I’m sure that whatever the charter says about investments as donations, Microsoft had the lawyers to ensure they did not have to sink hundreds of millions into a sinking ship.
No Musk required, the individuals at OpenAI did it to themselves.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#605Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If the tech really is dangerous then being more closed arguably is in the public's best interest, and this is certainly the reason OpenAI have previously given. Not really. It slows down like security over obscurity. It needs to be open that we know the real risks and we have the best information to combat it. Otherwise, someone who does the same in closed matter, has better chances to get advantage when misusing i…
This only holds if defense outscales attack. It seems very likely that attack outscales defense to me with LLMs.
either way it still shouldn't be in the hands of a private for profit corporation
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#606Any competent lawyer is going to get Musk on the stand reiterating his opinions about the danger of AI. If the tech really is dangerous then being more closed arguably is in the public's best interest, and this is certainly the reason OpenAI have previously given. Not saying I agree that being closed source is in the public good, although one could certainly argue that accelerating the efforts of bad actors to catch…
> If the tech really is dangerous then being more closed arguably is in the public's best interest, and this is certainly the reason OpenAI have previously given. Not really. It slows down like security over obscurity. It needs to be open that we know the real risks and we have the best information to combat it. Otherwise, someone who does the same in closed matter, has better chances to get advantage when misusing i…
Just like nuclear weapons?
The whole “security through obscurity doesn’t work” is absolute nonsense. It absolutely works and there are countless real world examples. What doesn’t work is relying on that as your ONLY security.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#607I don't even particularly like Musk, but I definitely despise M$ and their comic-book tier villanous shenanigans even more. Here's to hoping M$ gets fucked in this.
Musk is even more cartoonishly villainous than MS. This is pretty much Lex Luthor against Darkseid. Unless it results in mutual destruction, doesn't matter who wins, everybody else loses. My take is that Elon is suing OpenAI because he left OpenAI before they opened a commercial venture, which means he doesn't benefit from the companies current valuation, so he's using the courts to try to strong arm the foundation i…
I highly doubt this is the case. The guy has plenty of money, power and clout. There’s really no more for him to gain in those departments. It’s more likely he fears AGI will put humanity into a truly dystopian future if monopolized by a corporation and he wants to ward against that future by ensuring the company is incorporated properly as a nonprofit.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#608I uploaded the PDF to ChatGPT4 with the original name and got "Unable to upload musk-v-altman-openai-complaint-sf.pdf" multiple times I changed it to "defnotalawsuit.pdf" and it worked...
The file uploading functionality of ChatGPT is just awful, it has nothing to do with the file name. You can test it yourself with any arbitrary file, the number of failures to upload you experience will be significantly higher than you would experience with, I'd hazard to guess, any other upload function around the internet. Now whether that's something with their processing pipeline or just their servers being perpetually overwhelmed I have no idea, but it's almost certainly a case of ineptitude, not malice.
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#609Any competent lawyer is going to get Musk on the stand reiterating his opinions about the danger of AI. If the tech really is dangerous then being more closed arguably is in the public's best interest, and this is certainly the reason OpenAI have previously given. Not saying I agree that being closed source is in the public good, although one could certainly argue that accelerating the efforts of bad actors to catch…
Then the foundational document of openAi is
Self-contradictory
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#610> Indeed, as the November 2023 drama was unfolding, Microsoft’s CEO boasted that it would not matter “[i]f OpenAI disappeared tomorrow.” He explained that “[w]e have all the IP rights and all the capability.” “We have the people, we have the compute, we have the data, we have everything.” “We are below them, above them, around them.”
Yikes.
This technology definitely needs to be open source, especially if we get to the point of AGI. Otherwise Microsoft and OpenAI are going to exploit it for as long as they can get away with it for profit, while open source lags behind.
Reminds me of the moral principles that guided Zimmermann when he made PGP free for everyone: A powerful technology is a danger to society if only a few people possess it. By giving it to everyone, you even the playing field.