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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by z3phyr »

yaomingite wrote: post #413
WolfeReader wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is no AGI. An AGI is supposed to be the cognitive equivalent of a human, right? The "AI" being pushed out to people these days can't even count.

The AI is multiple programs working together, and they already pass math problems on to a data analyst specialist. There's also an option to use a WolframAlpha plugin to handle math problems. The reason it didn't have math from the start was that it was a solved problem on computers decades ago, and they are specifically demonstrating advances in language capabilities. Machines can handle math, language, graphics, an…

I guess we will know it when we see it. Its like saying computer graphics got so good that we have holodeck now. We dont have holodeck yet. We don't have AGI yet.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by paxys »

tombert wrote: post #503
paxys wrote: post #150

While I have no doubt everything in the complaint is correct, it's hard to see it as Elon being genuinely concerned about open and safe AI vs just having FOMO that he isn't part of it anymore and doesn't get to call the shots. For example his own AI startup is exactly as closed off and unregulated as OpenAI. Why is that not equally concerning?

I don't really want to defend Elon, because I very much dislike him, but there's a bit if a difference between OpenAI vs his own AI startups, which is that his AI startup isn't called Open AI. There's no compunctions about it being a for-profit enterprise, unlike OpenAI which kind of gives a veil of a non-profit. Like, if a doctor in Manhattan found out that Doctors Without Borders was charging Manhattan medical rate…

His entire lawsuit rests on the premise that AI/AGI is dangerous for humanity and cannot be developed in secret by large corporations but should be fully open and regulated. Looking at xAI and several other of his efforts (like the Optimus robot), those arguments fall flat. He is seemingly perfectly fine with closed off corporate AI as long as he is the one holding the strings.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by warunsl »

ph_dre wrote: post #440

I uploaded the PDF to ChatGPT4 with the original name and got "Unable to upload musk-v-altman-openai-complaint-sf.pdf" multiple times I changed it to "defnotalawsuit.pdf" and it worked...

Sorry, I am a n00b in this regard. But is the intention to get ChatGPT to summarize the pdf for you?

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by ReptileMan »

krisboyz781 wrote: post #220
karaterobot wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to be in the position of defending Elon Musk, but in this case his complaint seems to be that OpenAI claims one thing and does another. If X.ai started out telling everyone it's for-profit and closed off, then it's not hypocritical at all for it to be that. It's something else, sure.

But Musk claims X is the free speech town square but it isn't

X is definitely more free and allows more types of discourse than a year ago.

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Post by necovek »

samstave wrote: post #342
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The replies that say "well the profits go to the non-profit, all's good" miss the reality of these high profit nonprofits: the profits invariably end up in the pockets of management. Most of those are essentially scams, but it doesn't mean that OpenAI isn't just a more subtle scam. The hype and the credulity of the general public play right into this scam. People will more or less believe anything Sam the Money Gushi…

"Why is the NFL a non-profit: https://www.publicsource.org/why-is-the-nfl-a-nonprofit/ The total revenue of the NFL has been steadily increasing over the years, with a significant drop in 2020 due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic12. Here are some figures: 2001: $4 billion 2010: $8.35 billion 2019: $15 billion 2020: $12.2 billion 2021: $17.19 billion 2022: $18 billion

A non-profit simply has to spend all of the earnings, and it makes sense as a joint org for a number of for-profit enterprises (clubs) who all take part in the earnings.

Even if it was for profit company and it paid out all the surplus earnings to shareholders (owning clubs), it would be taxed zero on zero earnings (they'd just have to ensure all payouts happen within the calendar year).

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by y_gy »

treflop wrote: post #510
dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The replies that say "well the profits go to the non-profit, all's good" miss the reality of these high profit nonprofits: the profits invariably end up in the pockets of management. Most of those are essentially scams, but it doesn't mean that OpenAI isn't just a more subtle scam. The hype and the credulity of the general public play right into this scam. People will more or less believe anything Sam the Money Gushi…

Not to speak about OpenAI specifically, but people who know what they’re doing still cost a buttload of $$$$. Even I as a software engineer have a minimum salary I expect because I’m good at my job. Just because it’s a non-profit doesn’t mean I’m going to demand a smaller salary. And if the non-profit can’t afford me and gets a more junior dev and they’re not very good and their shit breaks… well, they should have pa…

You're thinking about the wrong thing. It's not about salaries for staff. The fact that it's a non-profit means no corporate taxes. That's where the profits go into the pockets of management, practically.

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Post by ergocoder »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #525

Microsoft first invested in OpenAI in 2019, which is when they changed their corporate structure. It's now 2024. If Musk had some ideological issue with OpenAI's new corporate structure then why didn't he sue right away?

"Not suing right away" isn't a good argument in many cases. There are myriad of reasons why people don't sue immediately. I don't think the question is worth asking.
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