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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by jlmorton »

AlbertCory wrote: post #133
tw600040 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that AGI, instead of benefitting the whole world, in which Musk is a part of, will end up only benefitting Microsoft, which he isn't a part of?

I don't think that qualifies as "standing", but IANAL.

I think the missing info here is that Musk gave the non-profit the initial $100 million dollars, which they used to develop the technology purportedly for the benefit of the public, and then turned around and added a for-profit subsidiary where all the work is happening.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by s1artibartfast »

AlbertCory wrote: post #133
tw600040 wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that AGI, instead of benefitting the whole world, in which Musk is a part of, will end up only benefitting Microsoft, which he isn't a part of?

I don't think that qualifies as "standing", but IANAL.

He was also a founding donor, so there is that.

If I have a non-profit legally chartered save puppies, you give me a million dollars, then I buy myself cars and houses, I would expect you have some standing.

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Post by krisboyz781 »

sixQuarks wrote: post #118
Hamuko wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would he have standing by having a company competing in the same space as OpenAI?

He funded it in the first place, so it could achieve AGI. Why would he want to stop that? Because the whole point of donating was to make sure it was an open sourced AGI that anyone could have access to. grok as a response to open AI going both Woke and for profit.

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by dclowd9901 »

bloopernova wrote: post #18

Has there been a successful suit against a company for "abandoning their founding mission"? Does anyone think that this suit will succeed? Another article: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/01/elon-musk...

In the publicly traded world, it would be considered securities fraud, an umbrella under which you can pretty much sue a company for anything if you’re a shareholder.

I’m not sure if there’s an equivalent in the private world, but if he gave them money it’s possible he simply has standing for that reason (as a shareholder does).

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Post by whimsicalism »

jimbokun wrote: post #103
whimsicalism wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The public has no idea what non-profits are and a lot of things that people call 'profit seeking ventures' (ie. selling products) are done by many non-profits.

I think the public is well aware that “non profit” is yet another scam that wealthy elites take advantage of, not available in the same way to the common citizen.

Or at least not available to the common citizen who does not have the $50 incorporation fee

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Post by whimsicalism »

redbell wrote: post #198

Maintaining the initial commitment becomes exceptionally challenging after attaining unforeseen success, a situation akin to a politician struggling to uphold pre-election promises once in office. EXACTLY, a year ago, an alarm echoed with urgency: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34979981

Truly the only reason they failed at keeping their original mission is when they stopped paying employees in cash.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by empath-nirvana »

jcranmer wrote: post #76
breadwinner wrote: post #28

In what capacity is Musk suing OpenAI? Musk may have co-founded the company, but then he left (to avoid any potential future conflict of interest with his role as CEO of Tesla, as Tesla was increasingly becoming an AI-intensive company). Is he a shareholder, if not what gives him any say in the future of the company?

The essential theory of the case is that OpenAI is misusing the funds Musk donated to it. reads prayer for relief > For a judicial determination that GPT-4 constitutes Artificial General Intelligence Okay, WTF? I'm going to have to read the entire complaint now.....

Man is that a big juicy meatball if you're a judge, though. Who would not love to hear that case.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Post by api »

a_wild_dandan wrote: post #189
KeplerBoy wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A non-profit took his money and decided to be for profit and compete with the AI efforts of his own companies?

Yeah, OpenAI basically grafted a for-profit entity onto the non-profit to bypass their entire mission. They’re now extremely closed AI, and are valued at $80+ billion. If I donated millions to them, I’d be furious.

It's almost like the guy behind an obvious grift like Worldcoin doesn't always work in good faith.

What gives me even less sympathy for Altman is that he took OpenAI, whose mission was open AI, and turned it not only closed but then immediately started a world tour trying to weaponize fear-mongering to convince governments to effectively outlaw actually open AI.

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