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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Wouldn't you have to prove damages in a lawsuit like this? What damages does Musk personally suffer if OpenAI has in fact broken their contract?

You can sue for many reasons. For example, when a party breaks a contract, the other party can sue to compel the contract to be performed as agreed.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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AI is going to continue to have incremental progress, particularly now in hardware gains. No one can even define what AGI is or what it will look like, let alone be something that OpenAI would own? Features progress is too incremental to suddenly pop out with "AGI". Fighting about it seems a distraction.

Progress is definitely not inremental, it's exponential. The same performance (training an LLM with a given perplexity) can be achieved 5x cheaper next year while the amount of money deep learning infrastructure gets increases exponentially right now. If this method is able to get to AGI (which I believe but many people are debating), human intelligence will just be mostly ,,skipped'', and won't be a clear point.

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

#133

Wouldn't you have to prove damages in a lawsuit like this? What damages does Musk personally suffer if OpenAI has in fact broken their contract?

that AGI, instead of benefitting the whole world, in which Musk is a part of, will end up only benefitting Microsoft, which he isn't a part of?

I don't think that qualifies as "standing", but IANAL.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

#134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The public has no idea what non-profits are and a lot of things that people call 'profit seeking ventures' (ie. selling products) are done by many non-profits.

why do people in our industry always make the assumption that everyone else are morons? The populace understands what a non-profit is.

our industry? I know the public doesnt because I grew up among people working in non profit sphere and the things people say on here and elsewhere about what non profits do and don't is just flat out wrong.

e: i mean it is obvious, most people even on here do not seem to know what profit even is, for instance https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39563492

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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OpenAi is also being investigated by the SEC. If "Altman hadn’t been consistently candid in his communications with the board" is interpreted as being misleading then that could be interpreted as misleading investors and therefore securities fraud. https://www.wsj.com/tech/sec-investigating-whether-openai-in...

Isn’t everything securities fraud though

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

#136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The public has no idea what non-profits are and a lot of things that people call 'profit seeking ventures' (ie. selling products) are done by many non-profits.

why do people in our industry always make the assumption that everyone else are morons? The populace understands what a non-profit is.

The populace can point to some obvious examples of non profits like charities. They cannot point to the nuance.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI was a 501C3. This meant donors could give money to it and receive tax benefits. The advantage is in the unique way it can reduce the funders tax bill.

A donation is a no strings attached thing, so these donors basically funded a startup without getting any shares?

Donations are not entirely without strings. In theory (and usually in practice) a charity has to work towards its charitable goals; if you donate to the local animal shelter whose charitable goal is to look after dogs, they have to spend your donation on things like dog food and vet costs.

Charities have reasonably broad latitude though (a non-profit college can operate a football team and pay the coach $$$$$) and if you're nervous about donating you can always turn a lump sum donation into a 10%-per-year-for-10-years donation if you feel closer monitoring is needed.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

#138

Wouldn't you have to prove damages in a lawsuit like this? What damages does Musk personally suffer if OpenAI has in fact broken their contract?

A non-profit took his money and decided to be for profit and compete with the AI efforts of his own companies?

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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What happened with the ranking? Were there people who flagged all the stories, even the first (obviously newsworthy) one?

The 30 or so submissions of this story all set off a bunch of software penalties that try to prune the most repetitive and sensational stories off the front page. Otherwise there would be a lot more repetition and sensationalism on the fp, which is the opposite of what HN is for (see explanations via links below if curious). The downside is that we have to manually override the penalties in the case of a genuinely im…

ideating out loud, I wonder if thered be a way to "collapse" all of the different articles submitted within some short time frame within one story, and maybe share the karma between them? In the case of breaking news it sucks to submit an article and you not being the one that gets "blessed", and different articles could conceivably have different valuable viewpoints. I'm sure it would be more complicated than that when it came to it though.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

#140

Here's the main filing for those who are interested. There's a lot of backstory incorporated https://webapps.sftc.org/ci/CaseInfo.dll?SessionID=94896165E...

(This was originally posted to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39560965, but we merged that thread hither)
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