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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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The defendant list is a bit bewildering. How usual is a corporate structure like this? Which, if any of these, is the nonprofit? OPENAI, INC., a corporation, OPENAI, L.P., a limited partnership, OPENAI, L.L.C., a limited liability company, OPENAI GP, L.L.C., a limited liability company, OPENAI OPCO, LLC, a limited liability company, OPENAI GLOBAL, LLC, a limited liability company, OAI CORPORATION, LLC, a limited liab…

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Nuclear weapons are an existential threat - that's why there are layers of human due diligence. We don't just hook it up to automated systems. If we hook up an unpredictable, hard-to-debug technology to world-ending systems, it's not its fault, it's ours. The AGI part is Elon being Elon, generating a lot of words to sound like he knows what he is talking about. He spends a lot of time thinking about this stuff when h…

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Yes, I closed that can of worms.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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It's described here: https://openai.com/our-structure Quote: Fifth, the board determines when we've attained AGI. Again, by AGI we mean a highly autonomous system that outperforms humans at most economically valuable work. Such a system is excluded from IP licenses and other commercial terms with Microsoft, which only apply to pre-AGI technology. > "Musk claims Microsoft's hold on Altman and the OpenAI board will kee…

Does anyone credibly believe that GPT-4 "outperforms humans at most economically valuable work"?

No.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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The defendant list is a bit bewildering. How usual is a corporate structure like this? Which, if any of these, is the nonprofit? OPENAI, INC., a corporation, OPENAI, L.P., a limited partnership, OPENAI, L.L.C., a limited liability company, OPENAI GP, L.L.C., a limited liability company, OPENAI OPCO, LLC, a limited liability company, OPENAI GLOBAL, LLC, a limited liability company, OAI CORPORATION, LLC, a limited liab…

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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I completely agree. AGI is an existential threat, but the real meat of this lawsuit is ensuring that you can't let founders have their cake and eat it like this. what's the point of a non-profit if they can simply pivot to making profit the second they have something of value? the answer is that there is none, besides dishonesty. it's quite sad that the American regulatory system is in such disrepair that we could ev…

There is no reliable evidence that AGI is an existential threat, nor that it is even achievable within our lifetimes. Current OpenAI products are useful and technically impressive but no one has shown that they represent steps towards a true AGI.

Sure, but look at it from Musk's point of view. He sees the rise of proprietary AIs from Google and others and is worried about it being an existential threat.

So he puts his money where his mouth is and contributes $50 million to found OpenAI - a non-profit with the mission of developing a free and open AI. Soon Altman comes along and says this stuff is too dangerous to be openly released and starts closing off public access to the work. It's clear now that the company is moving to be just another producer of proprietary AIs.

This is likely going to come down to the terms around Musk's gift. He donated money for the company to create open technology. Does it matter if he's wrong about it being an existential threat? I think that's irrelevant to this suit other than to be perfectly clear about the reason for Musk giving money.

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The 30 or so submissions of this story all set off a bunch of software penalties that try to prune the most repetitive and sensational stories off the front page. Otherwise there would be a lot more repetition and sensationalism on the fp, which is the opposite of what HN is for (see explanations via links below if curious). The downside is that we have to manually override the penalties in the case of a genuinely im…

ideating out loud, I wonder if thered be a way to "collapse" all of the different articles submitted within some short time frame within one story, and maybe share the karma between them? In the case of breaking news it sucks to submit an article and you not being the one that gets "blessed", and different articles could conceivably have different valuable viewpoints. I'm sure it would be more complicated than that w…

It's on the list!

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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The defendant list is a bit bewildering. How usual is a corporate structure like this? Which, if any of these, is the nonprofit? OPENAI, INC., a corporation, OPENAI, L.P., a limited partnership, OPENAI, L.L.C., a limited liability company, OPENAI GP, L.L.C., a limited liability company, OPENAI OPCO, LLC, a limited liability company, OPENAI GLOBAL, LLC, a limited liability company, OAI CORPORATION, LLC, a limited liab…

The organization consists of the non-profit OpenAI, Inc. registered in Delaware and its for-profit subsidiary OpenAI Global, LLC. (From Wikipedia)

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Unsurprising turn of events. Musk can't stand not being at the top of the food chain, and it's been widely reported on that he's felt "left out" as AI has taken off while he has been consumed by the disaster he created for himself over at X -

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-ai-boom-openai-wal...

I can imagine Musk losing sleep knowing that a smart, young, gay founder who refuses to show him deference is out in the world doing something so consequential that doesn't involve him.

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