In what capacity is Musk suing OpenAI? Musk may have co-founded the company, but then he left (to avoid any potential future conflict of interest with his role as CEO of Tesla, as Tesla was increasingly becoming an AI-intensive company). Is he a shareholder, if not what gives him any say in the future of the company?
Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
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#142Has there been a successful suit against a company for "abandoning their founding mission"? Does anyone think that this suit will succeed? Another article: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/mar/01/elon-musk...
Probably depends on how much money the person behind the suit is willing to spend.
Elon could likely push stuff a lot further along than most.
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#143The cynic in me believes this is motivated by not Musk's love for the "mission", but by xAI, his attempt to build OpenAI's competitor. I'm guessing this is just a way to weaken a competitor.
You're probably right, but either way it will be interesting to see this tested in court. I think it's good to have some extra scrutiny over how OpenAI is operating regardless of the underlying motivations that led to the action!
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#144 OPENAI, INC., a corporation,
OPENAI, L.P., a limited partnership,
OPENAI, L.L.C., a limited liability company,
OPENAI GP, L.L.C., a limited liability company,
OPENAI OPCO, LLC, a limited liability company,
OPENAI GLOBAL, LLC, a limited liability company,
OAI CORPORATION, LLC, a limited liability company,
OPENAI HOLDINGS, LLC, a limited liability company,Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#145OpenAi is also being investigated by the SEC. If "Altman hadn’t been consistently candid in his communications with the board" is interpreted as being misleading then that could be interpreted as misleading investors and therefore securities fraud. https://www.wsj.com/tech/sec-investigating-whether-openai-in...
Isn’t everything securities fraud though
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe the discovery process will benefit Musk and/or harm OpenAI sufficiently to consider it a "win" for Musk. Or perhaps it's just Musk wanting to make a statement. Maybe Musk doesn't expect to actually win the suit.
I wonder if the lawsuit will simply be dismissed.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
If he thinks GPT-4 is AGI, Elon should ask a team of GPT-4 bots to design, build and launch his rockets and see how it goes. If “economically valuable work” means creating terrible, wordy blog posts then yeah I guess it’s a risk.
I don’t think GPT-4 is AGI, but that seems like a foolish idea. An AGI doesn’t need to be hyperproficient at everything, or even anything. Ask a team of any non-aeronautical engineers to build a rocket and it will go poorly. Do those people not qualify as intelligent beings?
Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]
#148In what capacity is Musk suing OpenAI? Musk may have co-founded the company, but then he left (to avoid any potential future conflict of interest with his role as CEO of Tesla, as Tesla was increasingly becoming an AI-intensive company). Is he a shareholder, if not what gives him any say in the future of the company?
IANAL
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sometimes I wish you'd prune the users (at least from submission privileges) who can't be bothered to search first, which is how you get these n-fold submissions.
That's impossible. We'd have to prune human nature.