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Regardless of whether or not Miso is right to evade their promise of a bonus, I'm not so quick to heap sympathy upon rremoncake.
This certainly isn't the kind of dirty laundry that belongs on HN.
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That's not really how it works. If it's in an e-mail, it's a contract. Me: "Hey, if you do X I'll give you $10k." You: [Does X.] "Can I have my $10k?" Me: "Nah, the moment's passed. I'm not really feeling it anymore." Nope. That's sleazy behavior.
As long as the email isn't as fully formulated as an actual contract I usually tend to see them more as a declaration of an intent that isn't 100% fixed yet and is missing some of the details. (such as: you won't get it after you decided to quit and work somewhere else). That's usually the nice thing about startups, you don't have to fill out gobs of paperwork and have hours of meetings to get these small perks figur…
If you tell employee "do this and get $10K" and he does and you say "well, I'm not feeling like keeping my end of the bargain now" - it is no different. It is harder to enforce, but that's only difference that lets all kinds of sleazy characters get away with it. If you don't mean to give $10K - don't promise it. Nobody forces anybody to promise it. If you do promise - fulfill your promise. It's very simple, I wonder how people can have trouble with it - unless they meant to cheat at the first place.
Notice that Miso is not actually denying that they pay the money: "However, we only pay bonuses to employees." They are being hard-nosed about paying someone that is not employed at the current time, even though he was eligible when he was employed. Fail for Miso.
To be fair, most companies in North America would not pay any sort of optional bonus after an employee has quit or been fired. If you quit Dec 31, and the company usually pays out annual bonuses on Jan 30, don't expect a check.
You may want to consider putting the $10K towards a good cause (if Miso eventually steps up), to show it was never about the money. Thanks for sharing. Sounds like Miso may have made a business decision, and you are reminding them of the cost side of that equation.
Any money that comes to me a result of this post goes straight to charity. You guys have my word.
And there is nothing bad or evil about going to work for the money and expect others to hold up their end of the bargin.
It is what allows us to have the society we have today.
I must say, I completely agree. This is how it works. Your referral bonus is a perk, and nothing more. You didn't claim it. They weren't on top of it. You both failed here. But then you quit. And you left without it. That sucks for you, but they owe you nothing.
While publicly posting about this probably feels good, it reflects badly on you as well as Miso. * The lack of backups is partly your fault. You were an engineer there after all. * Nuking a production database can happen, but the default assumption is that you are sloppy. * Based on the timeframes one could assume you were fired from Miso. * You have no problem revealing confidential information about your former emp…
The more reasonable point is that he's an engineer not a sysadmin or ops guy this isn't his responsibility directly & more so this falls on the CTO shoulders of failing to assign someone to this task.
* If they point directly to production this really isn't unheard of.
* Why are we making any assumptions if the guy is fired or not; This has nothing to do with the fact of the bonus not being paid out on time while he was an employee.
* You're going to argue that the company failing to perform backups is confidential information about infrastructure and operations especially after the company mentions it in an email after his employment :|?
* These are emails after his employment & the company is or should be well aware that these emails from that point on can publicly be posted because he's not bound by anything to keep them confidential any more. This is why most companies follow strict HR policies of no further communication & very strict emails to former employees.
Come on, I expect a bit more from an engineer working at Facebook other than broad assumptions & statements.
Good call, Miso.
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The engineer communicated very professionally too. Just because you don't HAVE to not be an asshole, doesn't mean you SHOULD be an asshole. I agree with the engineer here since really this is something they promised at least informally and not delivering on it out of spite is just douchey.
His blogpost was quite questionable imho. Things like these really read as very professional, at least to me: - "Impeccable logic." - ' At this point. You might as well just tell me "fuck you. you didn't sign a contract. boohoo." ' - ' I was starting to feel like they were determined to screw me.' - 'No. I'm not proud of threatening, but I was pissed.' - ' The rest of this chain of emails consists of me double checki…
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The engineer communicated very professionally too. Just because you don't HAVE to not be an asshole, doesn't mean you SHOULD be an asshole. I agree with the engineer here since really this is something they promised at least informally and not delivering on it out of spite is just douchey.
His blogpost was quite questionable imho. Things like these really read as very professional, at least to me: - "Impeccable logic." - ' At this point. You might as well just tell me "fuck you. you didn't sign a contract. boohoo." ' - ' I was starting to feel like they were determined to screw me.' - 'No. I'm not proud of threatening, but I was pissed.' - ' The rest of this chain of emails consists of me double checki…