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Alcohol-Related Deaths Surge to Nearly 500 a Day, CDC Says

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Re: Alcohol-Related Deaths Surge to Nearly 500 a Day, CDC Says

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Post by rpmisms »

DinaCoder99 wrote: post #49
rpmisms wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also literally created the mafia. Single-factor analysis is really not smart.

No, that's just not true. And besides, that seems like a small concern compared to the enormously destructive effects alcohol has far from any organized crime. A wildly entertaining effect to be sure, but not one that touches the lives of every day people like alcohol does.

Here's an article about how it did:

https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/how-prohibit...

And another from the literal mafia museum:

https://prohibition.themobmuseum.org/the-history/the-rise-of...

Don't move the goalposts.

> the idea that it was some kind of obvious catastrophe is nothing short of ridiculous

It was literally an unmitigated catastrophe, which is why it was the only constitutional amendment to be overturned.

It also led to government agents spiking ethanol with methanol, leading to blindness. Pure evil.

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Post by smolder »

jquery wrote: post #43
smolder wrote: post #28

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No. Alcohol can't work independently of its downsides. The next-best but also-bad thing is probably GHB or ketamine or something like that. Basically any CNS depressant is going to have some significant dangers, short or long term.

Maybe meditation can get you there safely?

Wherever "there" may be, meditation is a much healthier path, for sure.

Re: Alcohol-Related Deaths Surge to Nearly 500 a Day, CDC Says

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Post by pimlottc »

rpmisms wrote: post #44
xnx wrote: post #26

Similar to vaping, is there a safer way to consume alcohol or get drunk in a similar way?

Yes. Crossfade. You will feel both much more strongly without experiencing the excess downside the next day.

What does that mean, crossfade?

Re: Alcohol-Related Deaths Surge to Nearly 500 a Day, CDC Says

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Post by galaxyLogic »

ta2234234242 wrote: post #20
daseiner1 wrote: post #18

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because those other things, on the whole, do not destroy people and their families in as acute a manner as alcohol and alcoholism do.

On the other hand, what exactly is freedom?

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Re: Alcohol-Related Deaths Surge to Nearly 500 a Day, CDC Says

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Post by leetcrew »

khazhoux wrote: post #29
readthenotes1 wrote: post #17

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I think people are missing your reference to the cases of people who had covid as the cause of death on their birth certificate and things like "headshot wound " as a contributing factor...

Do you really believe that happened? Or rather, putting aside the small number of coroners who might be criminally fraudulent, do you really think that was a thing?

I think it is probably straightforward for a trained professional to document the circumstances of a person's death. I suspect it is a lot harder to conclusively say "but for X, they would have survived". widespread fraud by coroners does not seem likely, but apathy and prioritization of resources is believable.

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Post by tptacek »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #37
tptacek wrote: post #24

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Then make that argument, and leave the cancer argument, which is easily knocked down, aside.

What are you asserting?

That the "cancer" argument about alcohol is special pleading.

Re: Alcohol-Related Deaths Surge to Nearly 500 a Day, CDC Says

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Post by rpmisms »

pimlottc wrote: post #53
rpmisms wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Crossfade. You will feel both much more strongly without experiencing the excess downside the next day.

What does that mean, crossfade?

Have some marijuana and alcohol. Good results for me were two beers and a few puffs.

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Post by s9df898r32h »

sdwr wrote: post #8
s9df898r32h wrote: post #2

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Probably never, the point is that they aren't getting around paywalls, it's users that they aren't necessarily aware of or responsible for. Plausible deniability goes a long way.

in other words, "no cojones"

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Post by s9df898r32h »

neilv wrote: post #11
s9df898r32h wrote: post #2

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Maybe because a tech industry forum routinely circumventing copyright protection paywalls in a "grassroots" way is in questionable taste, and making it official would arguably be worse? (Incidentally, someday a piracy site like that could serve up a browser zero-day, and pwn a large percentage of US tech companies. Without ever having needed to go to the trouble to develop their own content that would attract such a…

Are you saying that web archive services are breaking copyright law? I would say it's fair use seeing how ephemeral the content is. It's a myth that Internet content last forever.
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