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Alcohol-Related Deaths Surge to Nearly 500 a Day, CDC Says

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Post by CydeWeys »

almost_usual wrote: post #16
spiderice wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m also wondering what is considered “dying of alcohol”. Is it only when you drink so much that you die directly from the drinking? Or is it including drunk driving and the like?

Well you can also die from withdrawals when your BAC is zero.

Which is why hospitals are stocked with "medical vodka" (actually just regular vodka) to administer to patients suffering from severe withdrawals. It can take a few days to get down to surviving on 0 BAC, though of course unpleasant (but not fatal) withdrawal symptoms will persist for awhile longer.

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Post by Spooky23 »

tptacek wrote: post #14
EForEndeavour wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you share any evidence-based arguments against the evidence-based statements and recommendations summarized in the article? What fatal flaws undermine the research in the linked CDC page[1] establishing a causal link between alcohol consumption and DNA damage and increased risk of cancers of the mouth and throat, larynx, esophagus, liver, colon and rectum, and breast in women? [1] https://blogs.cdc.gov/cancer/2…

All sorts of things elevate all kind of risks of cancer, but this is one of the few we moralize this way.

No moralizing required. The pandemic measures in some states made liquor and drink delivery easier or legal and frankly glorified alcohol consumption. My friends in New York who own a liquor store 5x their sales and moved into an old big box storefront.

Returning to 2019 regulatory framework is not prohibition nor blue laws. It would likely reduce alot of human suffering without impacting moderate drinkers.

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Post by tptacek »

daseiner1 wrote: post #18
tptacek wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All sorts of things elevate all kind of risks of cancer, but this is one of the few we moralize this way.

because those other things, on the whole, do not destroy people and their families in as acute a manner as alcohol and alcoholism do.

Then make that argument, and leave the cancer argument, which is easily knocked down, aside.

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Post by wredue »

freitzkriesler2 wrote: post #25

Anyone else give up drinking? I only do it for work events to fit in with the bosses but that's about it. Might have a glass of really good red wine once or twice a year. Ages the hell out of you.

Yes. Was never a heavy drinker, but now that I track calories, there’s rarely room left for many alcoholic beverages

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Post by smolder »

xnx wrote: post #26

Similar to vaping, is there a safer way to consume alcohol or get drunk in a similar way?

No. Alcohol can't work independently of its downsides. The next-best but also-bad thing is probably GHB or ketamine or something like that. Basically any CNS depressant is going to have some significant dangers, short or long term.

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Post by khazhoux »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #17
pfannkuchen wrote: post #5

Died of alcohol or with alcohol?

I think people are missing your reference to the cases of people who had covid as the cause of death on their birth certificate and things like "headshot wound " as a contributing factor...

Do you really believe that happened? Or rather, putting aside the small number of coroners who might be criminally fraudulent, do you really think that was a thing?
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