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Alcohol-Related Deaths Surge to Nearly 500 a Day, CDC Says

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Anyone else give up drinking? I only do it for work events to fit in with the bosses but that's about it. Might have a glass of really good red wine once or twice a year. Ages the hell out of you.

Yep! About 15 years ago I decided I didn't like what alcohol did to people around me and I haven't had a drink since.

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Anyone else give up drinking? I only do it for work events to fit in with the bosses but that's about it. Might have a glass of really good red wine once or twice a year. Ages the hell out of you.

I like a buzz occasionally and would definitely not want it to be illegal but for me it affects my sleep and kind of messes up my day the next day.

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All sorts of things elevate all kind of risks of cancer, but this is one of the few we moralize this way.

No moralizing required. The pandemic measures in some states made liquor and drink delivery easier or legal and frankly glorified alcohol consumption. My friends in New York who own a liquor store 5x their sales and moved into an old big box storefront. Returning to 2019 regulatory framework is not prohibition nor blue laws. It would likely reduce alot of human suffering without impacting moderate drinkers.

What in the regulatory framework substantively changed?

The only thing I can recall was to-go liquor sales with takeout - which I strongly suspect is not a big mover of change here.

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post #27

Anyone else give up drinking? I only do it for work events to fit in with the bosses but that's about it. Might have a glass of really good red wine once or twice a year. Ages the hell out of you.

Yes. Was never a heavy drinker, but now that I track calories, there’s rarely room left for many alcoholic beverages

I also just sort of stopped drinking. I don't consider myself a non-drinker, it's just, well, whenever the opportunity arises I consider it and decide I prefer not to mess up my sleep and feel lousy the next day for an experience that, frankly, is less enjoyable than reading a book or playing a game or something else that I enjoy.

As for the dietary calories, well, you can hack that one. I don't recommend it for obvious reasons, but a diet of nothing but extremely lean protein, fiber (not strictly necessary, but it's nice to have some flavors other than meat, fish, or egg white), and ethanol (with virtually no dietary fat or carbohydrates) cannot, and I mean it is a proven metabolic impossibility, cause the gain of bodyfat. There is no storage form of ethanol, and the storage form of protein is various lean tissues.

Now you might ask, but what about glycogenesis? Won't the body metabolize that protein into glucose and then store that glucose as body fat? That's a perfectly reasonable thing to suppose, but it's proven, in strictly controlled metabolic ward studies, that it does not happen. Instead the kidneys just eliminate the excess protein. Glycogenesis is only used for immediate energy needs, and of course the body will preferentially use ethanol for immediate energy before protein.

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

because those other things, on the whole, do not destroy people and their families in as acute a manner as alcohol and alcoholism do.

Then make that argument, and leave the cancer argument, which is easily knocked down, aside.

What are you asserting?

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Anyone else give up drinking? I only do it for work events to fit in with the bosses but that's about it. Might have a glass of really good red wine once or twice a year. Ages the hell out of you.

I’ve never had more than a sip.

It’s sometimes tough, socially. But I’ve never (well, rarely) felt pressured, just “left out” sort of. But most people in my family are non-drinkers, so there’s that.

I’ll probably die never having been drunk. No real desire, other than fitting in socially, but that’s not really enough of a motivation for me.

But I do feel like it’s overall better for my health and mortality. Not that something like cancer or dementia won’t still get me, though.

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Anyone else give up drinking? I only do it for work events to fit in with the bosses but that's about it. Might have a glass of really good red wine once or twice a year. Ages the hell out of you.

I've never been a drinker. The unpalatable taste meant I never experimented enough to get to the buzz.

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post #26

Similar to vaping, is there a safer way to consume alcohol or get drunk in a similar way?

You can actually make ethanol into a vapor you can inhale, but unfortunately I assume that only makes it even more dangerous.

Perfectly safe. Just make sure there's no ignition source
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