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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by silent_cal »

jzebedee wrote: post #447
crtasm wrote: post #382

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Patreon about page begins: >yuzu is a Nintendo Switch emulator capable of running many games! With yuzu, you can play such games as Pokémon Sword & Shield, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, Super Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Pokémon Legends: Arceus, Fire Emblem:Three Houses, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate — on your PC. Regardless of the legal status of an emulator, I wouldn't list game titles if I were writing that copy…

It's not illegal to play games that you already purchased and own. Piracy is just a convenient scapegoat to hobble emulation.

If you can find me one person that uses an emulator and doesn't play pirated games on it, I'll send you a dollar.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by dathinab »

ls612 wrote: post #671
johnnyanmac wrote: post #488

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Valve doesn't really benefit that much financially from emulation though. Steam deck profit margins are probably razor thin given the cost of the competition (many of whom are in China on top of it all).

Doesn't Valve actually have an enormous interest in emulation? Their steam deck and linux gaming ecosystem is completely dependent on WINE and Proton.

yes, but their interest is in emulating software distributed by steam

other games are only as much of interest as it might be games which could end up on steam or games which show some issue with the emulation which could be used to improve proton

there is also the thing that proton or wine just barely count as emulation, they are a bit of emulation but mostly just providing compatible OS interfaces adaption (through Yuzu might but be that much different given how "mainstream" (but old) the switch hardware is)

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by dathinab »

whmgz wrote: post #687
ls612 wrote: post #671

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Doesn't Valve actually have an enormous interest in emulation? Their steam deck and linux gaming ecosystem is completely dependent on WINE and Proton.

I wouldn't say so. Valve's business is selling PC games. Wine is not an emulator, and has nothing to do with projects as Yuzu, Dolphin, PCSX2 and others.

through given how mainstream the switch hardware is you could argue that Yuzu isn't that different to WINE as you don't need to emulate anything but just provide compatible OS interfaces like WINE.

(if running out on ARM, there is still ARM to x86 emulation but that is just generic ARM to x86 emulation which has not that much to do with Yuzo per se)

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by dathinab »

crtasm wrote: post #382
robbiet480 wrote: post #3

I knew that Patreon would bite them some day. Any time money comes into a "offensive" open source project, whoever feels they are getting hurt can make a claim a lot easier. Somewhat surprised they haven't yet sued Ryujinx (the other Switch emulator project) for also having a Patreon.

Patreon about page begins: >yuzu is a Nintendo Switch emulator capable of running many games! With yuzu, you can play such games as Pokémon Sword & Shield, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, Super Mario Odyssey, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, Pokémon Legends: Arceus, Fire Emblem:Three Houses, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate — on your PC. Regardless of the legal status of an emulator, I wouldn't list game titles if I were writing that copy…

it's fully legal to state what you are compatible that

titles are mainly protected by trade markes so you can freely mention and speak about them anywhere as long as you are not creating a situation where s judge might find that Nintendo customers might thing Yuzo made by Nintendo or any of the listed games are made by Yuzu or shipped by Yuzo or similar

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by guappa »

loup-vaillant wrote: post #595
guappa wrote: post #569

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> I'm pretty sure it used to be legal. Only if it doesn't have the CSS thing, which most commercial ones have. Even though it's a silly protection, it still counts as a "protection" legally. It's like that in Italy so I suppose it's the same in france https://www.gianluigibonanomi.com/diritto-copiare/

Ah, found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DADVSI TL;DR: it's more complicated than I thought. First, the law was introduced in 2006, so before it, circumventing DRM and publishing how to do it was not a crime. (Of course, publishing copyrighted works with no proper authorisation was already a crime, regardless of DRM.) Then for a brief time, circumventing DRM was outlawed. But fear of foreign monopolies (most notab…

Ah that's cool.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by hellotomyrars »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #681
hellotomyrars wrote: post #658

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Well, no. The Wii U is one of the two notable examples where Nintendo did sell the hardware at a loss. This isn’t speculation. Iwata said this in shareholders calls. ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20095125 ) The Wii was a breakout success in a demographic the market had never previously reached. It is def unrealistic to expect the Wii U to have recaptured that market but it was done about as poorly as possib…

What started all of this is the observation that they've been successful over the last 3 console generations by not trying to compete directly with Sony and MS but instead to try and innovate and make great games people want to play (game console vs entertainment center). This doesn't stop being true because you want to label the Wii U as a failure. Many will tell you the Wii itself was a failure. Many don't consider…

I can’t argue with your personal feelings. My point that the hardware is underpowered compared to MS\Sony is an agreement that they aren’t trying to compete with them directly, instead making a product that has meaningful differences in form factor/function rather than technical. It is a part of how they execute that strategy.

The WiiU doesn’t reflect that trend. It was sold at a loss. It was initially sold as a machine that would have strong third-party support, unlike the Wii. Ubisoft and EA were presented front-and-center as supporting it. That only lasted for a year because the WiiU was able to compete with 360/PS3 on power, but the investment was no longer worth it for third parties to do multi-platform releases once new consoles were out. Nintendo did incorporate Xbox One-like TV control mechanisms into the WiiU.

Ultimately the issue of whether or not it was a failure is again something you can take a personal feeling about but statements made by Nintendos leadership in their official capacity are hardly shy about how much it did not meet their own expectations in the marketplace. They wanted to sell at least as many units as the Wii and sold more like 1/8th as many units.

I agree Nintendo has done well by not competing to be the third horse in a two horse race. I don’t agree that the Wii U reflected a good execution of that strategy.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #696
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #681

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What started all of this is the observation that they've been successful over the last 3 console generations by not trying to compete directly with Sony and MS but instead to try and innovate and make great games people want to play (game console vs entertainment center). This doesn't stop being true because you want to label the Wii U as a failure. Many will tell you the Wii itself was a failure. Many don't consider…

I can’t argue with your personal feelings. My point that the hardware is underpowered compared to MS\Sony is an agreement that they aren’t trying to compete with them directly, instead making a product that has meaningful differences in form factor/function rather than technical. It is a part of how they execute that strategy. The WiiU doesn’t reflect that trend. It was sold at a loss. It was initially sold as a mach…

you think the Wii U doesn't reflect the trend of unique hardware?

There's no sense in continuing this conversation.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by daurnimator »

ab5tract wrote: post #624
daurnimator wrote: post #405

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Have you seen user agent strings? Every browser pretends to be all the browsers before it to get around restrictions on who can see/render content.

Your point is as nonsensical as the user agent strings themselves. It's not copy protection. It may change the structure and content of the page that is sent but that is not copy protection.

> It's not copy protection. It may change the structure and content of the page that is sent but that is not copy protection.

It is though!

Often news websites use the user agent to detect e.g. the google crawler, and allow google to index the contents of news articles; but then throw up a paywall when anyone with a normal browser shows up.

I recall some news websites tried to threaten people making browser extensions with the DMCA/CFAA as they considered it working around their copy protection to illegally gain access to their content.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by hellotomyrars »

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #697
hellotomyrars wrote: post #696

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can’t argue with your personal feelings. My point that the hardware is underpowered compared to MS\Sony is an agreement that they aren’t trying to compete with them directly, instead making a product that has meaningful differences in form factor/function rather than technical. It is a part of how they execute that strategy. The WiiU doesn’t reflect that trend. It was sold at a loss. It was initially sold as a mach…

you think the Wii U doesn't reflect the trend of unique hardware? There's no sense in continuing this conversation.

In terms of `the strategy working` absolutely not, for the reasons previously listed.

I wouldn’t argue the WiiU doesn’t have a unique approach to system design and I never did.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #699
PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #697

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you think the Wii U doesn't reflect the trend of unique hardware? There's no sense in continuing this conversation.

In terms of `the strategy working` absolutely not, for the reasons previously listed. I wouldn’t argue the WiiU doesn’t have a unique approach to system design and I never did.

you're attempting to say "failure" without saying failure due to my previous comment.

you've been backed into a corner, you don't have a leg to stand on here.

if you're curious about my response, just re-read my comment that caused you to try and dress up the word failure in different clothing. Here, I'll link it to you and let you loop.

https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=PH95VuimJjqBqy&next=...

you can break out of said loop by having something different to say.

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