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'Mathematically perfect' star system being investigated for potential alien tech

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Re: 'Mathematically perfect' star system being investigated for potential alien tech

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"Why would aliens expend the enormous energy required to engineer this" Is a very similar answer to why humans would make microprocessors out of logic gates. I'm in school for digital design at the moment, and stuff like oscillators and frequency dividers are at the very base/root of almost all electronic circuits. One guess could be that alignments of planets in specific ways could be used to generate specific impul…

Or maybe, instead of using radio or a golden disc, the aliens decided to synchronize planets of some system (not necessarily theirs), in order to try to communicate intelligent life using the gravitational waves, so the message can reach much further - maybe even to other universes (there are various theories, that we might communicate with other universes in the multiverse using gravity, or maybe with the previous u…

this is a great idea too!

Re: 'Mathematically perfect' star system being investigated for potential alien tech

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Those liquid green aliens are probably looking at us and going "how can life exist with so much matter in solid form and so cold”.

Well, they have a point. This is why the presence of liquid water on earth is a big deal. But when the rocks start to melt you have problems.

Tungsten/Carbon based life forms? Solid when most everything else is liquid or gas.

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Did you ask it to create code for this? Me: Um9iZXJ0IEogU2F3eWVyIC0gU3RhcnBsZXgK ChatGPT: "xxxx" is a science fiction novel by Robert x xxxx. It explores themes of discovery, the nature of the universe, and the potential for cooperation among diverse life forms. The story revolves around a space station, xxxxxx, and its crew as they encounter mysterious wormholes, alien species, and cosmic phenomena, challenging thei…

I'm under the impression that the spoiler is what they said about the gigastructure of galaxies. If you don't know the title, you can't related it to the spoiler they just told you

Ah, makes sense. I'm slow.

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It is not at all clear to me why the harmonics makes it any more worth searching for aliens than any other solar system. a) Why would aliens expend the enormous energy required to engineer this? b) Isn't it vastly more likely to occur naturally as some sort of resonance effect?

> Why would aliens expend the enormous energy required to engineer this? So there are these great big buildings in Egypt...

Building a pyramid is impressive.

Moving planets out of existing orbit is another level. I can only imagine this is possible for a race who can plan multi million year projects and thus you can probably use rockets to do small gravitational slingshots each day and rely on some compounding effect.

Re: 'Mathematically perfect' star system being investigated for potential alien tech

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Well, they have a point. This is why the presence of liquid water on earth is a big deal. But when the rocks start to melt you have problems.

Tungsten/Carbon based life forms? Solid when most everything else is liquid or gas.

It's very unlikely for life to arise under those conditions. To get life, you need to build a lot of random polymers in a short amount of time (relative to the age of the planet) and the only known way that can happen is in a liquid or a gas so you have diffusion working for you. But after that, to get technology, you need solids.

The good news is that you don't need to have the life arise under the same conditions that the technology exists. It's possible that the planet is inhabited by self-replicating tungsten-based technology that was created by life that arose somewhere completely different.

But the bad news is that we are much less likely to find the aliens than we are to find the descendants of the self-replicating robots they built millions of years ago. And the fact that we haven't found the robots makes it very likely that the aliens don't exist.

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This could be a natural phenomenon. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_resonance

It's mentioned in the preceding article and the two papers that are linked. In spite of the title no one is wondering if aliens moved planets around to park them in special orbits. It's infinitely more likely the resonances developed naturally. Also, none of the planets are in the habitable zone, so it's unlikely there's life on them. Which is a shame, because if the star was much dimmer and they were in the habitabl…

> Also, none of the planets are in the habitable zone, so it's unlikely there's life on them.

Why would somebody want to live on the arms of a clock??

Re: 'Mathematically perfect' star system being investigated for potential alien tech

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It's mentioned in the preceding article and the two papers that are linked. In spite of the title no one is wondering if aliens moved planets around to park them in special orbits. It's infinitely more likely the resonances developed naturally. Also, none of the planets are in the habitable zone, so it's unlikely there's life on them. Which is a shame, because if the star was much dimmer and they were in the habitabl…

> Also, none of the planets are in the habitable zone, so it's unlikely there's life on them. Why would somebody want to live on the arms of a clock??

To high-five all the other monkeys round the outer edge of the face, of course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBIg7LEHs-0

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> Why would aliens expend the enormous energy required to engineer this? So there are these great big buildings in Egypt...

…mostly big piles of rocks… nothing too special…

So these ancient granite constructions exhibit tool markings of computer-aided design precision, laser cutting, and power drilling. These enormous granite obselisks weigh more than even modern cranes can lift. But they were allegedly "hand-chiseled" and lifted from quarries by a dozen men with ropes. Yet no-one with actual modern computers and lasers and drills and cranes has been able to replicate any of it. Oh and every ancient structure is "ceremonial" that these stone age people built in their spare time.

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It's a reference to the movie/book 2010: Odyssey Two, by Arther C. Clarke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010:_Odyssey_Two

I know the film sequel is shunned (and I presume rightfully so) but does the same apply about the book?

2010 will never be as good as 2001, but it is a really solid film. And it exonerates HAL in lovely form.

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Holy cow. ChatGPT 4 actually decoded this. It went into analysis mode, wrote some python, ran it, and gave the correct answer.

Did you ask it to create code for this? Me: Um9iZXJ0IEogU2F3eWVyIC0gU3RhcnBsZXgK ChatGPT: "xxxx" is a science fiction novel by Robert x xxxx. It explores themes of discovery, the nature of the universe, and the potential for cooperation among diverse life forms. The story revolves around a space station, xxxxxx, and its crew as they encounter mysterious wormholes, alien species, and cosmic phenomena, challenging thei…

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