During this energy transition phase more emphasis should be on PHEVs since 1. We have the infrastructure to build PHEVs faster than EVs. Since they are mostly modifications of current vehicles. 2. With the same amount of battery material to make 1 EV we can make ~10 PHEVs and adding that to the fact that most people drive less than 40 miles per day, the effective electric range of a typical PHEV, you are utilizing th…
The greenest car in America isn't an EV
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#13During this energy transition phase more emphasis should be on PHEVs since 1. We have the infrastructure to build PHEVs faster than EVs. Since they are mostly modifications of current vehicles. 2. With the same amount of battery material to make 1 EV we can make ~10 PHEVs and adding that to the fact that most people drive less than 40 miles per day, the effective electric range of a typical PHEV, you are utilizing th…
Yeah I think the main issue with PHEVs is essentially that people don’t charge them / do the majority of their kilometers / miles on the ICE engine :). See https://theicct.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/real-world-ph...
The battery was dead when I picked it up. It was dead when I returned it, despite me actually looking for a L2 charger just to see what it would be like to drive fully on battery. It did drive as a hybrid (I could feel the ICE stop and start) but it wasn’t nearly as efficient as it could have been, especially considering my entire rental was probably under 100 miles.
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#14The less you drive an EV the harder it is to offset the embodied carbon involved in manufacturing it. There will be a point where, if you don't drive much, an EV emits more carbon than a internal combustion engine car. If you drive a bit more, the EV is more efficient than an ICE but less efficient than a hybrid with a smaller battery. If you drive a bit more the EV will be more efficient than either. The article pic…
Good points. In the grand scheme of things, I don’t think the CO2 emissions associated with EVs matter at all. Is our goal for to cut emissions by 10%? No. It’s to cut emissions by 100%. To reach that goal, we need all vehicles to be pure BEVs (approximately.. some ICE on biofuels/e-fuel could work, but it’s not sustainable on a large scale), materials must be near 100% recycled, and whatever mining is done most be d…
I don't think most people would want to live in the world where you've cut emissions by 100%.
Even making a bicycle emits some amount of emissions. Making a PV panel emits GHG emissions. Having a pet emits GHG emissions.
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#15During this energy transition phase more emphasis should be on PHEVs since 1. We have the infrastructure to build PHEVs faster than EVs. Since they are mostly modifications of current vehicles. 2. With the same amount of battery material to make 1 EV we can make ~10 PHEVs and adding that to the fact that most people drive less than 40 miles per day, the effective electric range of a typical PHEV, you are utilizing th…
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#16Anyone know why they don't seem to have looked at Tesla at all? Weird to omit the largest EV seller in America by far.
TOYOTA PRIUS PRIME SE
Hyundai Ioniq Electric
Mini Cooper SE Hardtop 2 Door
Mercedes-Benz Smart Fortwo ed Coupe
BMW I3
Hyundai Ioniq Plug-in Hybrid
Kandi K23, (254Ah)
Nissan Leaf
LEXUS RZ 300e (18inch Wheels)
MAZDA MX-30
Tesla Model 3 Long Range
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#17The less you drive an EV the harder it is to offset the embodied carbon involved in manufacturing it. There will be a point where, if you don't drive much, an EV emits more carbon than a internal combustion engine car. If you drive a bit more, the EV is more efficient than an ICE but less efficient than a hybrid with a smaller battery. If you drive a bit more the EV will be more efficient than either. The article pic…
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#18The less you drive an EV the harder it is to offset the embodied carbon involved in manufacturing it. There will be a point where, if you don't drive much, an EV emits more carbon than a internal combustion engine car. If you drive a bit more, the EV is more efficient than an ICE but less efficient than a hybrid with a smaller battery. If you drive a bit more the EV will be more efficient than either. The article pic…
Once you are done with ownership, that vehicle is going to be owned by someone else, and probably at least one or two people after that. How do we account for that? Do we assume that all vehicles will be driven the same distance over their lifetime? Should we even bother to consider this factor? Does it matter if the distance driven is front-loaded or back-loaded (the original owner drives a lot or a little)? Are we overcomplicating things?
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#19The less you drive an EV the harder it is to offset the embodied carbon involved in manufacturing it. There will be a point where, if you don't drive much, an EV emits more carbon than a internal combustion engine car. If you drive a bit more, the EV is more efficient than an ICE but less efficient than a hybrid with a smaller battery. If you drive a bit more the EV will be more efficient than either. The article pic…
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#20This is a big red flag: > "The GreenerCars report analyzes 1,200 cars available in 2024, assessing both the carbon dioxide emissions of the vehicle while it’s on the road and the emissions of manufacturing the car and battery." First, fossil fuel consumption, not carbon dioxide emissions, is the important metric if you're concerned about climate. Humans eat food and breath out carbon dioxide; it's not going to change…