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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by filoleg »

jwells89 wrote: post #179
deelowe wrote: post #98

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Yuzu has amazing compatibility. I'm guessing it's getting too good for Nintendo. Their concerns with TotK are not without merit. I played it on Yuzu (on PC) because it was a much better experience than on the switch. Within a few days of the game being out, there were resolution and fps patches which made the game run much better. That said, I'm not sure how Yuzu can be blamed for TotK piracy. Guessing Nintendo is th…

I’ve seen this sentiment echoed by many. Seems like it’d be more productive to reduce attrition of this sort by releasing a Switch with less-anemic hardware. There’s clearly a market for a “Switch Pro” or similar that can run TotK, etc at 60FPS without frame drops.

> Seems like it’d be more productive to reduce attrition of this sort by releasing a Switch with less-anemic hardware.

Truly, but you are preaching to the choir. I am a big fan of SMTV series, and since it was a Switch exclusive, I bought it on the release day. I wasn't happy about 30fps (which I knew about beforehand), but it wouldn't be a barrier for me to enjoy a great game, so I went into it despite knowing that.

Long story short, I dropped the game just a few hours into it, and decided to wait until it gets a release on absolutely any other platform (and luckily enough, it was announced just last week). Turns out, 30fps was an aspirational goal, as literally in the first non-tutorial area of the game (the desert, I forgot the name), 30fps would rarely even hit, and the game would hover between 15-25fps the entire time. I just couldn't do it, no matter how good the game is.

Nintendo straight up ruined a game for me that I was already liking, all due to the Switch hardware. I am not even asking for much, even 30fps would be fine. But I cannot stomach FPS oscillating between 15-25fps in multiple major areas where you spend a lot of time in a game.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by myko »

WithinReason wrote: post #164
andy_ppp wrote: post #154

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I can play Switch games on Steam Deck!?

Yes, better than on the Switch. (now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)

Not really better than the Switch generally, but it's pretty cool

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by jamesear »

zucker42 wrote: post #216
jamesear wrote: post #139

The only comment of someone saying they had used Yuzu for piracy has been flagged, and is no longer visible. This might HN readers a skewed perspective on how much Yuzu is used for piracy. I have many acquaintances/friends in different circles, with the means to pay, who use Yuzu for piracy. There are dedicated forums of people who coordinate on how to do this. Emulation is great as a means to study or play backups,…

Hammers are used for theft, as well. Even if Nintendo's business would benefit from emulators not existing[1], it doesn't mean we should ban emulators (or create laws which allow multinationals to sue open source emulator projects out of existence). [1] which is not necessarily true

I understand your argument, and perhaps a similar one will be made to the courts.

For some people, if a tool has a single legitimate user, and otherwise haa illegitimate users, then the tool should be allowed.

For others, if the tool is mostly used for illegitimate means, then the tool should be banned.

Where the law lands in this case will be partly based on these values, and the benefits/harms to all parties.

I don't know enough about the case, but I don't think it's as clear cut as a hammer.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by Uvix »

ddtaylor wrote: post #294
lobsterthief wrote: post #242

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I mean, to be fair, the NES lockout chip is what salvaged the video game industry after hoards of shitty games caused it to collapse. Obviously a lot has changed since then. Now they do it to protect their own IP and investments.

The lockout ship was there to prevent piracy. By the time the console made its way to North America there were known bypasses. Ironically enough if there's an argument to be made about what saved the industry and how quality control was involved it would be the Nintendo seal of quality and then the strong arming that they did to various retailers saying that if they sold any game that didn't have Nintendo's backing t…

That's impossible; the lockout chip debuted with the North American version of the console, so there couldn't have been known bypasses beforehand. The Famicom had no CIC.

The lockout chip is what made the "seal of quality" scheme feasible in the first place. If alternative games were widely available, Nintendo wouldn't have had nearly as much leverage to strongarm with.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by monocasa »

Root_Denied wrote: post #388
monocasa wrote: post #155

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Because "trafficking in a circumvention device" has it's own special carveout in the DMCA.

That's a pretty broad definition of "device" Nintendo is using there.

Not any more broad than that used against DeCSS.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by favorited »

MyFedora wrote: post #369
favorited wrote: post #303

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They didn't lose out on any of those things – at worst, they lost the potential that someone who recently played their game without paying for the hardware or software would pay next time. "This game was so great that I would consider paying next time, but I'm definitely not going to pay this time" doesn't seem, to me, like a credulous position.

We're talking about Nintendo. They literally don't sell their older games and consoles. Your only options are the (sometimes severely overpriced) 2nd hand market and piracy.

That might be relevant if we were talking about someone wanting to play the Nintendo DS port of Chrono Trigger. But we're talking about Breath of the Wild & the Switch, which are in stock at every store that sells video games.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by DANmode »

Panzer04 wrote: post #299
theultdev wrote: post #144

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That doesn't solve grinding out the small company, though it does reverse the damage if they don't get ground out. The problem is not the end payout, it's the base cost can't be afforded along the way. One side can keep appealing and escalating, the other can't pay for the cases themselves. They may not get far enough to win the pool. You would have to have the lawyers work pro bono or some common legal fund pay for…

The problem with that is you're ruined if you lose the court case. Few people would be willing to take on such a massive risk.

Better be sure of the veracity your case before taking the court's time.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by extraduder_ire »

_cenw wrote: post #305
WithinReason wrote: post #164

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Yes, better than on the Switch. (now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)

I found it funny that Linus of LMG endorsed this setup not because it is better, but because Yuzu doesn't hold your savegames hostage. If you don't know: you can't backup saves, they get written to NAND, not the SD card. you can however buy cloud backup, but only for games that don't opt out. Truly a problem of Nintendo's own petty making if even switch owners with a legitimate copy prefer to not run on their hardwar…

If you have a hacked console (paperclip with a 1st year console, modchip with later ones), you can back up your saves using a homebrew app (checkpoint) if you remember to do it regularly.

You can also copy the saves off the console (or the emulated NAND you're supposed to create when hacking it) by running a different app (TegraExplorer) right from the bootloader. I had to do this when I messed up an update and my system wouldn't boot, but I hadn't backed up my saves in months.

I do wonder if anyone's attempted to get nintendo to respond to a subject access request in the EU to get their saves from their cloud service.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by 3abiton »

WithinReason wrote: post #268
darkteflon wrote: post #233

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Afaik you need to own a modded Switch to get the necessary keys, though. That’s a big outlay, if you can even find one - they’re rare as hens teeth. Edit: Awesome - great to know!

Yes, if you want to do it legally.

Nintendo made it clear that this is also "illegal". You have to opt for the worse experience (using the switch) otherwise you're the bad guy ...

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by jwells89 »

filoleg wrote: post #391
jwells89 wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve seen this sentiment echoed by many. Seems like it’d be more productive to reduce attrition of this sort by releasing a Switch with less-anemic hardware. There’s clearly a market for a “Switch Pro” or similar that can run TotK, etc at 60FPS without frame drops.

> Seems like it’d be more productive to reduce attrition of this sort by releasing a Switch with less-anemic hardware. Truly, but you are preaching to the choir. I am a big fan of SMTV series, and since it was a Switch exclusive, I bought it on the release day. I wasn't happy about 30fps (which I knew about beforehand), but it wouldn't be a barrier for me to enjoy a great game, so I went into it despite knowing that.…

Ouch yeah, that’s rough. I’m not as sensitive to FPS as some but I think I’d be bothered by 15-25 as well.
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