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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Afaik you need to own a modded Switch to get the necessary keys, though. That’s a big outlay, if you can even find one - they’re rare as hens teeth. Edit: Awesome - great to know!

You can find the keys online.

And that is the illegal part, rather than the development of the emulator...

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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It's unbelievable how much I loath Nintendo these days. Hard to believe I use to love them growing up. I got a Nintendo switch last year from Walmart. The f*ing came used (apparently someone in the store played some Zelda in it, put it back in the box and sold to me as new). Walmart said they couldn't do anything when I emailed them about the issue. Anyways, the switch came with no games. Nothing. Zero. So, naively I…

Not that there aren't plenty of good reasons to hate Nintendo, but you're mad at them because Walmart committed fraud selling you one of their products, and then you didn't look up what something they sell does before you bought it and you're made it didn't live up to your unfounded expectations?

It's not like you can't buy games online through the Switch store, and I'm sure Walmart would have sold you games. It's also not as if all Nintendo consoles used to come with free games and they stopped doing that. Maybe for a special edition version, but not as a default.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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I for one have exclusively used yuzu to play backups of games I legally purchased on a computer that can render them with higher frame-rates and quality than official switch hardware. This is my legal right, and Yuzu provided open source code to make this task easier for me. Nintendo is looking for a scapegoat here for their wasted investment in DRM technology.

It's not about the 16fps frame drops, it's about the experience. Enjoy IT.... or find us in COURT !

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Why didn't Uber though? Is it just enough money to buy the right lobbyists and lawyers?

And enough usage in the general public to have "politician X will ban uber" be a negative campaign position. Same reason AirBnB works despite many laws to the contrary. If you get popular enough that the public will vote against people who threaten to enforce the law, out of a desire to keep using the product, you win. It's a race to get too big to be shut down.

There's something hilarious about your framing of "get too big to be shut down".

You actually said "if you get popular enough that the public will vote against people who threaten to enforce the law".

So someone builds a product that the public likes, something they demand that politicians allow, and somehow this is "too big to be shut down". Do you forget that modern democracies pretend that their authority derives from the will of the people?

The law is not sacred. Get off your high horse.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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A ton of people seem to think the DMCA is the end of Yuzu, but I believe it's actually its salvation, particularily Section 1201(f):

(1)Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (a)(1)(A), a person who has lawfully obtained the right to use a copy of a computer program may circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a particular portion of that program for the sole purpose of identifying and analyzing those elements of the program that are necessary to achieve interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and that have not previously been readily available to the person engaging in the circumvention, to the extent any such acts of identification and analysis do not constitute infringement under this title.

(2)Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections (a)(2) and (b), a person may develop and employ technological means to circumvent a technological measure, or to circumvent protection afforded by a technological measure, in order to enable the identification and analysis under paragraph (1), or for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, if such means are necessary to achieve such interoperability, to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title.

(3)The information acquired through the acts permitted under paragraph (1), and the means permitted under paragraph (2), may be made available to others if the person referred to in paragraph (1) or (2), as the case may be, provides such information or means solely for the purpose of enabling interoperability of an independently created computer program with other programs, and to the extent that doing so does not constitute infringement under this title or violate applicable law other than this section.

"Independently-created computer program" in this case being Yuzu, "other programs" being Switch games.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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In that case, Linux creators would be liable for not taking any steps within the Linux kernel preventing you from pirating a game on the platform.

No because the primary use of Linux is not piracy. Whereas for emulation it is. The whole point of emulation is that you want to play content for which the original hardware no longer exists. And so there is no harm being done to anyone. This situation is obviously quite different because Nintendo is being harmed.

Most of my emulator use hasn't been piracy.

And the weak chipset on the switch is a big reason to want to use emulators without piracy.

And there's modding too.

Your "whole point" is very far from whole.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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This is unfortunate. The switch is probably coming to the end of its life soon. As soon as Nintendos next gen (announced or not) console is released, the switch will be a legacy system and emulation is important for archiving purposes.

This does make it less likely that i'll be buying any Nintendo products in the future.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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I'd love to start a country with no extradition treaties that is a safe harbor for companies like this.

If you don't agree to a bunch of treaties around IP protection, you will find yourself frozen out of many free trade agreements and mostly unable to import or export anything except at crushing cost.

Better just use China then

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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I feel like you’re undermining your own argument here. Yes, it’s exceedingly complex to “legally” play your own games on Yuzu. This bolsters the argument that Yuzu is primarily targeting users of pirated content, because essentially no one would bother doing all those steps you listed.

I think MyFedora is suggesting that even if Yuzu's primary usecase is piracy, that's because it's so difficult to use Yuzu in the legit manner (due to Nintendo's DRM on the console/game you own).

I feel like it would be a lot more straightforward if people just came out and said that they think piracy should be legal.

Currently we have this weird mealy-mouthed roundabout discussions where people act ever so outraged at the idea that a tool or site is primarily used for piracy when anyone who's not hopelessly naïve recognizes that that's in fact what they're used for.

At best we get comments like yours that are anti-DRM...but still dance around the fact that being anti-DRM is being pro-piracy.

This isn't even about whether I support piracy. I just think it's oddly disingenuous to both treat piracy as a moral/legal wrong (else why the need to defend/excuse Yuzu's clear involvement?) and be shocked and outraged when an entity whose works have been pirated does something about it.

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