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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by datbn »

codedokode wrote: post #95

> As a result, Nintendo ... is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down. When corporations like Uber violate multiple laws, do they get shut down? When Amazon treats its employees poorly, does it get shut down? When Google forbids manufacturers to pre-install competitor apps, does it get shut down? Well, it seems that as long as copyright is not infringed, everything is ok. Also it seems to me that Nintendo migh…

This is not a case of a company that does something massively useful but then does a (relatively to the size of the company) small illegal thing on the side. The whole raison d'etre of Tropic Haze LLC is to, allegedly, break the law.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by npteljes »

atum47 wrote: post #180

It's unbelievable how much I loath Nintendo these days. Hard to believe I use to love them growing up. I got a Nintendo switch last year from Walmart. The f*ing came used (apparently someone in the store played some Zelda in it, put it back in the box and sold to me as new). Walmart said they couldn't do anything when I emailed them about the issue. Anyways, the switch came with no games. Nothing. Zero. So, naively I…

No issue that you described comes from Nintendo. And you could have downloaded ~100 free games from the eShop.

https://www.dekudeals.com/games?filter%5Bprice_range%5D%5Bmi...

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by ThatPlayer »

NobodyNada wrote: post #232
TillE wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canoe (their SNES emulator) is definitely their own creation, it's very limited and can mostly only run the games they've released with it. I think it has some similar bugs to ZSNES, but that's just because they're both crappy low-accuracy emulators.

Interestingly, their NES emulator uses the file format of the freeware INES emulator (which became the de facto standard format for all NES emulators, and of course for distributing ROMs online). At the very least, this indicates that Nintendo definitely relied on resources and documentation from the NES emulation community. But it also raises questions as to why they used the INES format as opposed to some internal…

> But it also raises questions as to why they used the INES format as opposed to some internal format of their own

The answer to that that I've seen is simply they hired a man who previously worked on INES: https://web.archive.org/web/20061228071701/http://www.n-side... . This man is then top credited in Animal Crossing for "NES Emulator Program".

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by withinboredom »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #250
withinboredom wrote: post #121

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If the keys are that readily available ... I don't think it is "effective" by any definition of the word.

The DMCA definition >>...technological measure "effectively controls access to a work" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.

So, a website fits that definition. Sounds like browsers should be sued.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by denkmoon »

goosedragons wrote: post #149
denkmoon wrote: post #133

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That's the "legal" way, dumping your own copy of horizon OS, your console's keys, your carts and their keys. Of course it's quicker and easier to just download someone else's keys and dumps, and you're not protecting yourself from Nintendo by using your own stuff, you just get the peace of mind knowing it's your stuff you're using. It's also very quick if you're already set up with atmosphere & homebrew. Longest part…

Is Yuzu providing or linking to those dumps?

They aren't (that would make Nintendo's case pretty clear cut), but you can find them fairly easily through the regular channels if you're familiar with piracy.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by dheera »

justinclift wrote: post #170
codedokode wrote: post #95

> As a result, Nintendo ... is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down. When corporations like Uber violate multiple laws, do they get shut down? When Amazon treats its employees poorly, does it get shut down? When Google forbids manufacturers to pre-install competitor apps, does it get shut down? Well, it seems that as long as copyright is not infringed, everything is ok. Also it seems to me that Nintendo migh…

Yeah, it's a pretty stark illustration of "we have enough money to fuck you up, and are very willing to do so". "Might makes right" in action. Your monopoly point is an interesting one. Wonder if there's an actual legal case there, as Nintendo have done a lot of this bullying over the years.

I'd love to start a country with no extradition treaties that is a safe harbor for companies like this.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by michaelmrose »

favorited wrote: post #177
michaelmrose wrote: post #84

If anything this lawsuit makes it difficult to morally justify purchasing Nintendo hardware and supporting them. Having really enjoyed the first Zelda game on an emulator I would otherwise have really considered it.

So you played their game on an emulator, and you "would otherwise have really considered" paying for their products (but you didn't). How are they losing out by alienating you?

I bought prior generations of Nintendo consoles. I had not considered current consoles. I recently reconsidered via discovering current games via emulation and am now put off by present behavior. What did they gain? historically downloading a small file has been a poor predictor of people's willingness to spend $20 let alone $400 for console and game.

Also historically emulation has been teaser because they tend to trail console release by years and only gain good support by the time present generation is passe. Probably the biggest issue here is emulation is unusually good because nintendo released gamecube 1 2 and 3 and their latest effort is weak enough that PC actually plays at a higher res.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by boomboomsubban »

withinboredom wrote: post #254
boomboomsubban wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DMCA definition >>...technological measure "effectively controls access to a work" if the measure, in the ordinary course of its operation, requires the application of information, or a process or a treatment, with the authority of the copyright owner, to gain access to the work.

So, a website fits that definition. Sounds like browsers should be sued.

>So, a website fits that definition

What DRM is a browser bypassing? As if you control some that is being bypassed by a browser, you're free to sue.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Post by MyFedora »

jamesear wrote: post #236
infotainment wrote: post #212

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I feel like you’re undermining your own argument here. Yes, it’s exceedingly complex to “legally” play your own games on Yuzu. This bolsters the argument that Yuzu is primarily targeting users of pirated content, because essentially no one would bother doing all those steps you listed.

I think MyFedora is suggesting that even if Yuzu's primary usecase is piracy, that's because it's so difficult to use Yuzu in the legit manner (due to Nintendo's DRM on the console/game you own).

Yep, and that also inflates the number of pirates since some of them pirate Switch games for ease of use they already bought.
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