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Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Nah, you just need to scale up your storage expectation; I think 8TB will cover most of a PS1 localization.

Sony Playstation NTSC-U dump is only 472GB. Oh, and they're available on Archive.org :) https://archive.org/search?query=Sony+PlayStation+-+%28NTSC-...

Maybe it was PS2 localization, but those quantities are well within the consumer reach to maintain archives.

It's just work, like anything else.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Nintendo caught using an open source emulator for the switch, without any sort of credit to the authors after suing? If so, I have no empathy for them.

Canoe (their SNES emulator) is definitely their own creation, it's very limited and can mostly only run the games they've released with it. I think it has some similar bugs to ZSNES, but that's just because they're both crappy low-accuracy emulators.

Interestingly, their NES emulator uses the file format of the freeware INES emulator (which became the de facto standard format for all NES emulators, and of course for distributing ROMs online).

At the very least, this indicates that Nintendo definitely relied on resources and documentation from the NES emulation community. But it also raises questions as to why they used the INES format as opposed to some internal format of their own: was it just because they wanted to use a spec they found online instead of writing their own, or did they pirate their own games to test (or even ship)?

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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I can play Switch games on Steam Deck!?

Yes, better than on the Switch. (now I'm awaiting legal action from Nintendo)

Afaik you need to own a modded Switch to get the necessary keys, though. That’s a big outlay, if you can even find one - they’re rare as hens teeth.

Edit: Awesome - great to know!

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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There were tons and TONS of ride sharing apps that got shut down as Uber was becoming popular due to regulatory violations: Sidecar, Juno, Poparide, Heetch, Taxify, and there are probably hundreds that got shut down in local markets. Plenty of companies get shut down for regulatory violations, or employee mistreatment. Pointing at some extreme outliers is nothing more than a form of selection bias.

Why didn't Uber though? Is it just enough money to buy the right lobbyists and lawyers?

And enough usage in the general public to have "politician X will ban uber" be a negative campaign position.

Same reason AirBnB works despite many laws to the contrary. If you get popular enough that the public will vote against people who threaten to enforce the law, out of a desire to keep using the product, you win. It's a race to get too big to be shut down.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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If anything this lawsuit makes it difficult to morally justify purchasing Nintendo hardware and supporting them. Having really enjoyed the first Zelda game on an emulator I would otherwise have really considered it.

So you played their game on an emulator, and you "would otherwise have really considered" paying for their products (but you didn't). How are they losing out by alienating you?

Nintendo lost out on future game and console sales from that person.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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I don't think Nintendo's argument that Yuzu's primary use case is piracy holds any merit. Nintendo is quite literally a part of the reason why people pirate Switch games they already own. What do you have to do to legally play Switch games on Yuzu? Oh, idk... * Jailbreak your Switch. * Dump your decryption keys. * Dump your games. * Never update your Switch ever again. * Pray Nintendo doesn't shove an update down you…

I feel like you’re undermining your own argument here. Yes, it’s exceedingly complex to “legally” play your own games on Yuzu. This bolsters the argument that Yuzu is primarily targeting users of pirated content, because essentially no one would bother doing all those steps you listed.

I think MyFedora is suggesting that even if Yuzu's primary usecase is piracy, that's because it's so difficult to use Yuzu in the legit manner (due to Nintendo's DRM on the console/game you own).

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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And if Nintendo spends $10 million dollars? And Yuzu spends $25,000 and maybe wins the first case but runs out of money during the appeal and defaults judgment. Nintendo gets the pot because they won right? As I pointed out to another user, this reverses the damage if they win, but does not solve the problem of preventing them from being able to win. Now if you make it where if you want to spend $5 on lawyer fees, yo…

I think the proposal is not "each side contributes to a pot and the winner takes it", it's "if one side wants to spend 10mil on a case and the other side puts in 25k, then each side has 5mil and 12.5k to spend on legal fees"

Ah okay, if that's the case then yeah totally in support for that.

That's essentially what I was suggesting with having to loan the opposing team the same amount of money you spend.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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I wish they'd offer a legal avenue to play Switch games at 4K/60 instead of 720p/20-30. Anyone looking for a higher fidelity experience than the 2017 Switch hardware is able to provide is forced to use software like Yuzu to enable it. Even Sony has started porting their crown jewel games to PC to enormous commercial success, allowing players with high-end hardware to legally enjoy a higher fidelity experience, but Nintendo is stuck in the past.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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Better how? The detachable joycon with accelerometer control are a mechanic in some games (eg. Zelda crossbow aim). I would imagine this would be worse experience on steam deck.

Steamdeck also has a gyro for this kind of mechanic.

By the by, I recently switched to using a Dualsense as my SD external controller and found that the gyro controls make for an excellent desktop and M+K game controller. Surprised I didn’t think to check earlier.

Re: Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu

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bleem! (PlayStation emulator) was sued by Sony and was forced to close down because of legal fees, so I guess that counts as a success for Sony. I seem to recall a bunch of ROM sites disappearing as well, but not sure if that's because they got sued or for other reasons. Some must have been sued and consequently shut down, so maybe not a bad idea (for the companies) to at least try?

ROM sites are different in that they are distributing the copywrited media The only 'emulator' cases I've seen be successful are due to the same, they didn't get in trouble for the emulator, they got in trouble for distributing ROMs. I wonder if there's some firmware code being distributed here? that's a common annoyance when it comes to using an emulator.

AFAIK yuzu requires you provide your own firmware dump, so no redistribution happening
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