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Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by stoltzmann »

hnbad wrote: post #79
ptero wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? An honest question, I thought undersea cable repair is a common, straightforward procedure. In this case the repair ship might need some air defense, but US or UK could easily provide that.

Based on news coverage I've read: - it's a specialized business requiring specialized ships which are often booked out a long time in advance - the damage is in a war zone Would you be willing to do your job in a war zone? Would your boss be okay with sending you there? With sending very specialized and expensive equipment there with you? Also what do you think would be sufficient to provide peace time equivalent saf…

They're actually not booked out a long time in advance. Usually in case of a fiber cut on a major subsea cable, the crews will be out to fix it within a couple days at max.

The real issue is the second fact you identified, that it's cut in middle of a warzone. I don't think they will risk sending a ship out unless closely escorted by military vessels.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by Geisterde »

RestlessMind wrote: post #130
Geisterde wrote: post #128

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As I remember the story, the US funded, trained, and armed ISIS to fight Assad, then it backfired.

Huh it's the first time I am hearing that. Do you have any citations? I remember reading about Al Qaeda / Bin Laden who was funded by CIA to fights Russians.

Unfortunately not off the top of my head, but I know scott horton has discussed it at length, "Enough already" probably has the sauce. I wasnt trying to correct anyone, thats just how I remember the events and was curious if anyone had any input.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by actionfromafar »

Geisterde wrote: post #132
RestlessMind wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh it's the first time I am hearing that. Do you have any citations? I remember reading about Al Qaeda / Bin Laden who was funded by CIA to fights Russians.

Unfortunately not off the top of my head, but I know scott horton has discussed it at length, "Enough already" probably has the sauce. I wasnt trying to correct anyone, thats just how I remember the events and was curious if anyone had any input.

Never heard of this before, but what we both say can be true at the same time.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by enterprise_cog »

stevenAthompson wrote: post #105
Gare wrote: post #101

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> this action would make it seem like the Houthis actually have grievances with the majority of the non-Houthis world. They have "death to America" literally written on their banner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movement

> "Allah is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, A Curse Upon the Jews, Victory to Islam" How utterly wretched must a life be before a cause like this cause could appeal to someone?

Is it really so hard to imagine why they would hate the American and Israeli governments?

We’ve been all but pulling the trigger as we supported Saudis bombing them for years, kept them under famine, have American mercenaries doing political assassinations for the emirates in Yemen, the list goes on.

We had 9/11 happen and large chunks of society wanted to nuke Mecca. Imagine multiple 9/11s every year for a decade and think how you’d feel.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by Havoc »

Izkata wrote: post #100
Havoc wrote: post #46

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It’s not like a nuclear war because it’s easy to blame it on a dragging ship Anker or whatever.

(psst the weight the hangs from ships is "anchor") I'm assuming that was autocorrect because it was capitalized too.

Dual language keyboard - German. And Anker in German is anchor so didn’t register that it’s wrong psychological

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by Geisterde »

actionfromafar wrote: post #133
Geisterde wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately not off the top of my head, but I know scott horton has discussed it at length, "Enough already" probably has the sauce. I wasnt trying to correct anyone, thats just how I remember the events and was curious if anyone had any input.

Never heard of this before, but what we both say can be true at the same time.

Well the bit about bin laden and alqueda is certainly true to my knowledge. The government will only admit to funding the Taliban, not alqueda, but they are on record contributing quite a bit to one of the highest ranking members in alqueda, and its hard to imagine things don't get messy when you start delivering weapons to guerillas.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by zmgsabst »

maaaaattttt wrote: post #97
zmgsabst wrote: post #75

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I think you’re looking for community mesh networks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking People have tried, but they’re hard — and TLAs tend to show up. (At least from stories I heard; before my time.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Wireless But they’re doing a crypto one too — maybe that’ll work better. https://www.helium.com/ There’s also a HAM radio option. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet

Thank you, a wireless mesh network seems to be the broad name of what I had in mind. You seem to hint at the fact that they are illegal? Or do you mean they are heavily regulated? If it's the case it'd strange as any online private community could be considered a wireless mesh network. Maybe that's the case but there are too many...

It’s not illegal and you can use open spectrum, etc. But the government monitors communications.

The FBI and CIA infiltrated gaming groups as well.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36100994

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by stevenAthompson »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #134
stevenAthompson wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Allah is the Greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, A Curse Upon the Jews, Victory to Islam" How utterly wretched must a life be before a cause like this cause could appeal to someone?

Is it really so hard to imagine why they would hate the American and Israeli governments? We’ve been all but pulling the trigger as we supported Saudis bombing them for years, kept them under famine, have American mercenaries doing political assassinations for the emirates in Yemen, the list goes on. We had 9/11 happen and large chunks of society wanted to nuke Mecca. Imagine multiple 9/11s every year for a decade an…

It is not hard to imagine why people might hate. It is hard to imagine how they might stop hating.

If these people won, and all of the people they hate so much died tomorrow, would they stop killing? I think not. I suspect that they would begin killing other sects of their own religion, and after that people who don't adhere closely enough to the rules of the "one true religion".

Murderers want to murder. In the end, the reasons are made up long after the decision to murder is made.

Can they be rehabilitated in some way?

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by kingofpandora »

RestlessMind wrote: post #123
actionfromafar wrote: post #120

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ISIS filled the power vacuum of a larger regional instability caused by the (botched) US invasion and provided several (fleeting) local maxima of stability.

I thought ISIS gained power in Syria first, taking advantage of the Syrian civil war which the US explicitly did NOT participate in.

> I thought ISIS gained power in Syria first, taking advantage of the Syrian civil war which the US explicitly did NOT participate in.

The US absolutely participated (and continues to participate in) the SCW.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by enterprise_cog »

stevenAthompson wrote: post #138
enterprise_cog wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really so hard to imagine why they would hate the American and Israeli governments? We’ve been all but pulling the trigger as we supported Saudis bombing them for years, kept them under famine, have American mercenaries doing political assassinations for the emirates in Yemen, the list goes on. We had 9/11 happen and large chunks of society wanted to nuke Mecca. Imagine multiple 9/11s every year for a decade an…

It is not hard to imagine why people might hate. It is hard to imagine how they might stop hating. If these people won, and all of the people they hate so much died tomorrow, would they stop killing? I think not. I suspect that they would begin killing other sects of their own religion, and after that people who don't adhere closely enough to the rules of the "one true religion". Murderers want to murder. In the end,…

I disagree. They wouldn’t be murderers any more than Americans are.

You should think deep why you assume they are simply killers and not people with dignity who have been wronged by the murderous governments of saud and the us. And you should be asking if we are the ones that can be rehabilitated.

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