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Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by actionfromafar »

k99x55 wrote: post #106
pjc50 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/purposes-and-prin... : "prohibits the threat or use of force and calls on all Members to respect the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of other States". The post-WW2 peace structure was built around a prohibition on aggressive war and sub-war violations of the integrity of other states. This hasn't always held, and once we get into a situation whe…

> I do think the US breach of this principle by invading Iraq did a colossal amount of damage The US has done many many breaches of international law since post-WW2

Sure, but the Iraq invasion was the gift that really kept on giving.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by lotsofpulp »

Izkata wrote: post #100
Havoc wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not like a nuclear war because it’s easy to blame it on a dragging ship Anker or whatever.

(psst the weight the hangs from ships is "anchor") I'm assuming that was autocorrect because it was capitalized too.

Subliminal advertising. Businesses pay people or have bots that use brand names in conversations where they could conceivably be a typo.

(Making that up, but seems plausible and simple enough).

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Post by RestlessMind »

actionfromafar wrote: post #120
Pet_Ant wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the only group that was an even worse influence on the stability of the region than either of them: ISIS To be clear, ISIS is great for stability. It's not the stability we want, but they do definitely provide stability. We may not like them, but there are reasons that people living in chaos or extreme poverty choose to support them over alternatives. The Taliban didn't triumph in Afghanistan without it's fans.

ISIS filled the power vacuum of a larger regional instability caused by the (botched) US invasion and provided several (fleeting) local maxima of stability.

I thought ISIS gained power in Syria first, taking advantage of the Syrian civil war which the US explicitly did NOT participate in.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by jules-jules »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #102
pjc50 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/purposes-and-prin... : "prohibits the threat or use of force and calls on all Members to respect the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of other States". The post-WW2 peace structure was built around a prohibition on aggressive war and sub-war violations of the integrity of other states. This hasn't always held, and once we get into a situation whe…

> the only group that was an even worse influence on the stability of the region than either of them: ISIS To be clear, ISIS is great for stability. It's not the stability we want, but they do definitely provide stability. We may not like them, but there are reasons that people living in chaos or extreme poverty choose to support them over alternatives. The Taliban didn't triumph in Afghanistan without it's fans.

ISIS is very much a creation and result of the US invasion of Iraq, John Kerry admitted to that. The CIA funding link is also relatively well established.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by Log_out_ »

pjc50 wrote: post #78
thinkingemote wrote: post #35

In neal stephensons 1996 classic wired article Mother Earth Mother Board theres a bit in there about why cables are not attacked. "There is also the obvious threat of sabotage by a hostile government, but, surprisingly, this almost never happens. When cypherpunk Doug Barnes was researching his Caribbean project, he spent some time looking into this, because it was exactly the kind of threat he was worried about in th…

https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/purposes-and-prin... : "prohibits the threat or use of force and calls on all Members to respect the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of other States". The post-WW2 peace structure was built around a prohibition on aggressive war and sub-war violations of the integrity of other states. This hasn't always held, and once we get into a situation whe…

The Iraq War removed the biggest counter to Iranian influence. In a way it was a brutal revenge on a geostrategic level to the sunni-wahabi faction. "Here is your worst enemy unleashed, have fun killing each other in civil wars"

All those old empires disguising as anti-imperialist, and the US is selfimolating they want to play another great game.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by Log_out_ »

jules-jules wrote: post #124
Pet_Ant wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the only group that was an even worse influence on the stability of the region than either of them: ISIS To be clear, ISIS is great for stability. It's not the stability we want, but they do definitely provide stability. We may not like them, but there are reasons that people living in chaos or extreme poverty choose to support them over alternatives. The Taliban didn't triumph in Afghanistan without it's fans.

ISIS is very much a creation and result of the US invasion of Iraq, John Kerry admitted to that. The CIA funding link is also relatively well established.

The almighty Cia that can't even win anywhere ever. That agency putting it all on tech and constantly loosing it's recruits due to mass discovery by third world countries. Get out of here with those horrorstories grandpa..

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by actionfromafar »

RestlessMind wrote: post #123
actionfromafar wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ISIS filled the power vacuum of a larger regional instability caused by the (botched) US invasion and provided several (fleeting) local maxima of stability.

I thought ISIS gained power in Syria first, taking advantage of the Syrian civil war which the US explicitly did NOT participate in.

The US invasion of Iraq was twenty years ago. Toppling the dictator Saddam and then failing (largely by self-sabotage) to capture the Iraqi state institutions intact was what created the power vacuum which made ISIS possible. Yet, it took a decade for it to really get going.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by Geisterde »

actionfromafar wrote: post #127
RestlessMind wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought ISIS gained power in Syria first, taking advantage of the Syrian civil war which the US explicitly did NOT participate in.

The US invasion of Iraq was twenty years ago. Toppling the dictator Saddam and then failing (largely by self-sabotage) to capture the Iraqi state institutions intact was what created the power vacuum which made ISIS possible. Yet, it took a decade for it to really get going.

As I remember the story, the US funded, trained, and armed ISIS to fight Assad, then it backfired.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by mc32 »

hnbad wrote: post #117
mc32 wrote: post #60

These incidents are interesting due to because of how people like to assign blame or not. Nordstream 2? Of course it was Russians despite how illogical it was. This cable? No way the Houthis despite them saying they would attack them. The prejudice is interesting.

I'm 50/50 on whether Nordstream 2 was Russia or someone opposed to Russia because Russia's response to it has been indistinguishable from its usual disinfo dance when trying to shift blame for something they have done. I don't think it made strategic sense but neither did invading Ukraine (and especially not right before the start of mud season). I thought with the cable the general objection to the Houthis having do…

The difference I’m seeing is on one there is a readiness to accept attribution despite the uncertainty and in the other there is a reluctance to accept attribution even if the likelihood is slightly higher (they said they’d do something like this —which certainly would need some confirmation).

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by RestlessMind »

Geisterde wrote: post #128
actionfromafar wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US invasion of Iraq was twenty years ago. Toppling the dictator Saddam and then failing (largely by self-sabotage) to capture the Iraqi state institutions intact was what created the power vacuum which made ISIS possible. Yet, it took a decade for it to really get going.

As I remember the story, the US funded, trained, and armed ISIS to fight Assad, then it backfired.

Huh it's the first time I am hearing that. Do you have any citations?

I remember reading about Al Qaeda / Bin Laden who was funded by CIA to fights Russians.

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