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Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by pjc50 »

maaaaattttt wrote: post #97
zmgsabst wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you’re looking for community mesh networks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking People have tried, but they’re hard — and TLAs tend to show up. (At least from stories I heard; before my time.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Wireless But they’re doing a crypto one too — maybe that’ll work better. https://www.helium.com/ There’s also a HAM radio option. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet

Thank you, a wireless mesh network seems to be the broad name of what I had in mind. You seem to hint at the fact that they are illegal? Or do you mean they are heavily regulated? If it's the case it'd strange as any online private community could be considered a wireless mesh network. Maybe that's the case but there are too many...

In the US, HAM licensing (a) had heavy bandwidth restrictions and (b) banned encryption. Leaving the choice instead of trying to range-extend WiFi without breaking the power restrictions, such as by using directional antennae.

Generally the problem with mesh networks is spectrum licensing.

(a badly functioning mesh network is indistinguishable from a distributed jammer in its band!)

As for the TLAs .. I don't know about that, but the history of radio licensing and telecoms is entangled with national security, because allowing enemy agents free comms into your country was considered Very Bad.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by lock-the-spock »

fuoqi wrote: post #10

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Sorry but you seem to be repeating russian war propaganda. The U.S. sabotaging north stream makes zero sense and Russia was already arbitrarily and randomly limiting supply through North stream for months before. That Russia was involved is pretty much fact and established by several western intelligence reports. The only other possible part with a good cause would be Ukraine but they'd be stupid to sabotage the pipeline and alienate all their essential allies.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by lock-the-spock »

zmgsabst wrote: post #89
actualwitch wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So in this thread we have one person claiming out of nowhere that one attack on underwater infrastructure is definitely a false flag, and you are claiming that another one is definitely not a false flag, all without a shred of evidence. How is this any better than just piping llm outputs directly to comment box? This sort of discussion is worthless.

This would be claiming that it is a false flag: The US blew up a Russian-German pipeline and then blamed Russia.

You should probably put this in quotes as OOP is disseminating russian propaganda.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by lock-the-spock »

mc32 wrote: post #60

These incidents are interesting due to because of how people like to assign blame or not. Nordstream 2? Of course it was Russians despite how illogical it was. This cable? No way the Houthis despite them saying they would attack them. The prejudice is interesting.

Nothing illogical, Russia had been limiting supply due to supposed technical reasons for months before, with a clear intention to empty European/German reserves. Look at the charts of gas flows and storage prior to the war and the literally hindreds or news articles on this.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by lock-the-spock »

elzbardico wrote: post #49

If you can't see this is a false flag from Israel and/or the US, I have a bridge to sell to you.

Why would they do that? U.S. military vessels were already attacked so they need no further casus belli if they wanted war. On the contrary Huthis have announced that they intend to cut cables. So the responsibility is rather easy to point to.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by lobsterthief »

baq wrote: post #19
newsclues wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a high risk job even with naval escort. Risk drives up prices.

Welding undersea fiber under fire isn't in any of the technicians' job description, so while they say that everybody has a price, it's possible that the bid-ask is wide enough that you could park an Ever Given sideways there and there'd still be room. These folks probably make enough already.

So then it’s possible a US military option (involving the Army Corp of Engineers) will be required to fix it. Those soldiers have experience doing work in the line of fire and have no ability to refuse.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by hnbad »

mc32 wrote: post #60

These incidents are interesting due to because of how people like to assign blame or not. Nordstream 2? Of course it was Russians despite how illogical it was. This cable? No way the Houthis despite them saying they would attack them. The prejudice is interesting.

I'm 50/50 on whether Nordstream 2 was Russia or someone opposed to Russia because Russia's response to it has been indistinguishable from its usual disinfo dance when trying to shift blame for something they have done. I don't think it made strategic sense but neither did invading Ukraine (and especially not right before the start of mud season).

I thought with the cable the general objection to the Houthis having done it is that they're too incompetent to pull it off. I'm inclined to believe the Houthis did it as they could have literally done it by accident at this point.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by OJFord »

OJFord wrote: post #33

I think this might be the cleanest-looking, fastest news site I've ever seen. It's Israeli obviously, but shame that despite the name implying it might have a wider outlook it does seem to be Israel/Israeli business focussed.

I think maybe people are misunderstanding my second sentence.

I meant it is clear from the `.il` TLD that it is an Israeli site, so from that alone you might assume it would be 'Israeli news', but the name 'Globes' then implies that maybe it would be more global - world news, and so seeing as I liked the site I might therefore visit it more/bookmark it for general news; but actually it seems (from the articles on front page, the About page) it's not, and it is Israeli business focussed.

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by elzbardico »

pjc50 wrote: post #70
elzbardico wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said Yemen? The prize for the neocons is Iran.

The neocons are not currently in power, and the Republicans have been taken over by a much weirder faction.

They are not? What about Victoria Nuland, the Kagan Brothers and all other straussians that are always close to the power no matter which faction from the Uniparty is currently occupying the White House?

Re: Submarine cables linking Africa-Asia-Europe severed

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Post by actionfromafar »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #102
pjc50 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/purposes-and-prin... : "prohibits the threat or use of force and calls on all Members to respect the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of other States". The post-WW2 peace structure was built around a prohibition on aggressive war and sub-war violations of the integrity of other states. This hasn't always held, and once we get into a situation whe…

> the only group that was an even worse influence on the stability of the region than either of them: ISIS To be clear, ISIS is great for stability. It's not the stability we want, but they do definitely provide stability. We may not like them, but there are reasons that people living in chaos or extreme poverty choose to support them over alternatives. The Taliban didn't triumph in Afghanistan without it's fans.

ISIS filled the power vacuum of a larger regional instability caused by the (botched) US invasion and provided several (fleeting) local maxima of stability.
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