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Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

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Automating manual systems then requires less employees. Less employees often requires less management. If I had done this, I would not in a million years talk to my immediate management about this. I have already been fired once from contract work for merely suggesting that a similar thing was possible.

Do you regret suggesting it? I mean, sure, there would have been some immediate pain involved in finding a new job but surely that was balanced out by not working in a inefficient toxic working environment.

I was working from home, mostly drunk in a hammock while wearing a dressing gown. I had to leave the hammock and put on some respectable clothes and everything.

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

presumably it is management who nurtured the environment that lead to team members competing against each other for a slice of the bonus. So though management might be furious, they should re-consider they should turn some of that fury on themselves(this never happens).

they should be furious with themselves because one of their employees had a great idea that could lower their costs?

no, management should be furious with themselves because they have created an environment where innovation is not shared due to a dumb bonus structure, leading staff to optimize for personal instead of organizational outcomes.

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

#63
post #9

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It was decided that it was okay, so long as his assigned tasks were being completed. Of course, one wonders why he was ratted out if he was completing his tasks... :-) Jealousy. You never need to put a cover on a bucket full of crabs because anytime one crab tries to climb out the others will pull it back in. Sadly, people (even friends) often act in this same manner when someone they know is excelling in some way.

I've never heard the crab expression, is that really true? Are crabs just vindictive little creatures?

I've always wondered if it's true, because it's a very common expression here in Jamaica. We call it "crab inna barrel" (crabs in a barrel). Another term for it is "bad mind" - to be jealous of or try to impede another's success.

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You don't have to Flowers for Algernon your own productivity Are you thinking of Harrison Bergeron?

I was indeed! Curses, my memory of middle school is failing me.

No worries. I often make the same mistake, to the point where I knew what you were referring to but had to break out the googles because I wasn't sure if it was the right story. Both are excellent, btw.

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

#65
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was decided that it was okay, so long as his assigned tasks were being completed. Of course, one wonders why he was ratted out if he was completing his tasks... :-) Jealousy. You never need to put a cover on a bucket full of crabs because anytime one crab tries to climb out the others will pull it back in. Sadly, people (even friends) often act in this same manner when someone they know is excelling in some way.

I've never heard the crab expression, is that really true? Are crabs just vindictive little creatures?

I just saw it on Wikipedia; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was decided that it was okay, so long as his assigned tasks were being completed. Of course, one wonders why he was ratted out if he was completing his tasks... :-) Jealousy. You never need to put a cover on a bucket full of crabs because anytime one crab tries to climb out the others will pull it back in. Sadly, people (even friends) often act in this same manner when someone they know is excelling in some way.

I've never heard the crab expression, is that really true? Are crabs just vindictive little creatures?

100% of the time? Probably not. I have seen Blue Crabs do this sort of thing, although it's likely all of them trying to get out of the bucket on their own rather than actively trying to prevent another one from escaping.

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never heard the crab expression, is that really true? Are crabs just vindictive little creatures?

I've always wondered if it's true, because it's a very common expression here in Jamaica. We call it "crab inna barrel" (crabs in a barrel). Another term for it is "bad mind" - to be jealous of or try to impede another's success.

I did some searching and found a few references to "crab mentality", looks like it's a common term in Filipino culture. Still haven't found any evidence on if this is a real phenomena or not though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-crab-mentality.htm

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

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If I were a member of management, and I found out that he was doing this, I would be furious. Not because he gamed the system and received the bonuses, but because he didn't share his innovation with the rest of the team and improve everyones' efficiency. If he had done that, I would recognize his talent and initiative and promote him, allowing him to do more rewarding, higher-level work.

I thought the same thing at first, but then I read how he's got this whole thing tied together. >We download PDF batches, not paper... >I wrote the script from scratch. It is a combination of reading the screen for data, a screen font reader, mouse automation/keyboard automation. >It's part C++ and part "Game Maker", I did it for prototyping but got lazy and never rewrote it. >Plus the script is pretty frustrating to…

They all sound like problems that can be overcome, just that it's not worth it for him to overcome them right now.

If it's worth it for his company to overcome them, he has his bargaining chip right there.

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

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post #42
post #23

Link to my comment on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/tenoq/reddit_my_f...

qq66's comment on reddit is a worthwhile read.

TL;DR: If you have the initiative and skills to do this, you can be doing a lot more than hoarding a bonus pool.

Re: Redditor: Am I a scumbag for automating my manual work and making more money?

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Why is the employer wrong here? If they were hiring 10 temp workers to do the job of a simple program, they really didn't need them in the first place.

£2/hour more than a temp data-entry position isn't market compensation for an entry-level programming gig. Converting to US wages, temp workers often make $8-$12/hour -- the temp AGENCY may be making $20-$25 for that, but the worker only pulls in up to $24k/year. If they'd doubled his salary to ~$48k/year (assuming he previously was earning ~$12/hour) then that starts to be a decent wage for an entry-level programmer…

Nonsense.

The guy accepted the $2 raise. He could have said, "No, I want $xx an hour," or "I'll sell you the script for $xxxxx," but he didn't.

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