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Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by madsbuch »

adamlarsson78 wrote: post #109
madsbuch wrote: post #84

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As in most other European countries social security, health and retirement is provided on a subsistence level. I think this is what differs from EU to the US. EU is great for subsistence seekers while the US is much better for aspirational people. The issue is just that you need both to have a good country. An aspirational person also need to be able to shop, eat, etc. And subsistence people also want access to the n…

> EU is great for subsistence seekers The fraction of people in EU countries who just want to exist on social welfare and have no aspirations is miniscule. That's just propaganda and a narrative spun by the rich to avoid paying taxes as much as possible. Not backed by any data.

I don't see subsistence seekers as people living of social welfare? subsistence seekers usually will have a job?

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by madsbuch »

yobbo wrote: post #131
adamlarsson78 wrote: post #107

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It may be frustrating, but that's the flipside of wealth inequality being much lower in Scandinavia and thereby society being more equal. Which makes it much more pleasant to live in, even for relatively rich people. (Disclosure: I'm one of those relatively rich people in Scandinavia and I pay lots of taxes but I also enjoy that wealth inequality isn't so extreme over here.)

You're thinking of income inequality.

wealth tax would apply to wealth inequality.

I don't know for Norway, but Denmark is one of the most wealth inequal countries in the world, while also being one of the most income equal.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by madsbuch »

eloisant wrote: post #83
madsbuch wrote: post #28

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French employees are generelle low paid in cash. however, a big part of the compensation is through labor protection - something that is not worth a lot to a software developer. currently, France had a serious issue with brain drain. software developers move to Germany or the UK to get higher salaries. This gives a situation where all advanced jobs move out while simpler job stay back with really expensive labor prot…

The problem of software developers in France is not that French salaries are lower than other countries overall, but software development salaries in France compared to other professions. In North America and Northern Europe countries software development is a high paying job, in France not as much. But things are changing. Yes a lot of software dev jobs are crap (typically IT Services companies) but you also have Bi…

it would seems that striking is detrimental to the goal of attracting more Big Tech?

it makes sense that a lot. of people are hired by It service companies, as these are not easily moved out.

usually it is easier to get talent to move to another country, than to setup a subsidiary.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by dheera »

dgellow wrote: post #33
dheera wrote: post #26

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Average salary isn't an excuse if it's unlivable. It's hard to live on 60K in Europe when a goddamn power cord costs 15 Euro

Sorry but you’re mistaken. 60k€ in France or Germany is a decent salary. Power cords don’t cost 15€? What are you talking about? I see prices way below 10€

Oh I don't know, way back in 2005 and 2007 when I did internships in Europe, the cords at the local store always cost a lot. Even an RJ-45 cable for DSL cost 20 SF (about USD15 at the time) at the local electronics store.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by johnnyanmac »

whimsicalism wrote: post #166
johnnyanmac wrote: post #97

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Yeah, not all unions are created equal. We saw some of thst with the Hollywood strikes last year. That's sadly a part of why some anti-union sentiment spreads organically; if the people who are supposed to be looking out for your interest end up being another corporation to fight, what's the point? That doesn't mean collective bargaining can't work. Especially for critical jobs like medicine and teaching. But it fall…

> ly; if the people who are supposed to be looking out for your interest end up being another corporation to fight Except for the super key and critical difference that makes them nothing alike: you can vote on your leadership.

"vote", sure. Many countries vote for their leaders too. I think small groups like a single company have it worse because at least in some ways a nation wide election will somewhat represent the state of the country. The turnout for a union rep must be awful

Sometimes intentionally. I remember the SAG talks last year "voting" on a compromise and so many people not even realizing there was a meeting.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by johnnyanmac »

saiya-jin wrote: post #145
omnimus wrote: post #105

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Yeah you shouldnt strike because you could disturb those who like how the system works!! (because it works for them) Solidarity doesnt mean being nice to others. Its awarnes of shared interests and acepting/enduring some pains for others. This includes understanding that you might not be striking today but you might in future.

No, you should be smart. Instead of taking whole country and its population (and everybody else anyhow connected to it) hostage, strike politicians you want to affect where its most inconvenient and 'hurtful' for them, strike the state that you want the change from. Don't go through making life miserable all the time for 65 millions of folks who didn't cause your woes in any way. I understand its far easier and 'chea…

>strike the state that you want the change from.

In this case that "state" seems to be Ubisoft. I don't know who's being hostage outside of assassin creed players having a delayed release. But that sounds like a trivial sacrifice compared to a political strike.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by adamlarsson78 »

crollywood wrote: post #122
adamlarsson78 wrote: post #109

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> EU is great for subsistence seekers The fraction of people in EU countries who just want to exist on social welfare and have no aspirations is miniscule. That's just propaganda and a narrative spun by the rich to avoid paying taxes as much as possible. Not backed by any data.

If I'm not mistaken, your statement is also not backed by any data and is a propaganda in itself

Sure, as long as we can agree that the original statement is, that's fine by me.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by adamlarsson78 »

yobbo wrote: post #131
adamlarsson78 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may be frustrating, but that's the flipside of wealth inequality being much lower in Scandinavia and thereby society being more equal. Which makes it much more pleasant to live in, even for relatively rich people. (Disclosure: I'm one of those relatively rich people in Scandinavia and I pay lots of taxes but I also enjoy that wealth inequality isn't so extreme over here.)

You're thinking of income inequality.

These two are highly correlated. My background is lower middle class, but high income for a few years made me into high wealth. With lower income tax, that would have been even more extreme. But with the high income tax I'm paying, lots of benefits go to low income families and make it less likely that their kids end up poor when they will be adults.

A proper taxation of inheritance would make income and wealth even stronger correlated, but that's hard to do as long as you can take your extreme wealth abroad. Family dynasties do exist even here and it's still an issue society needs to solve.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by madsbuch »

adamlarsson78 wrote: post #177
crollywood wrote: post #122

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If I'm not mistaken, your statement is also not backed by any data and is a propaganda in itself

Sure, as long as we can agree that the original statement is, that's fine by me.

You completely misrepresent me in your comments and you have really bad attitude.

> The fraction of people in EU countries who just want to exist on social welfare and have no aspirations is miniscule.

You insinuate that I was talking about people living of welfare which is absolutely not within the "subsistence" definition. That would be more akin to a rent-seeker.

Also, I did not make any political statement. I merely setup a taxonomy: That of subsistence people vs. aspirational people and proposed that EU is better suited for subsistence people while the US is better suited for aspiration people.

That is not at all controversial.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by privacyonsec »

walidthedream wrote: post #82
janmo wrote: post #25

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60k EUR before taxes and healthcare + retirement deduction I suppose. So after taxes and mandatory deductions it is 45k USD, which not that much if you are in a city like Paris.

Privacyonsec let me laugh so you say you make 45k net in Paris and you live very comfortably ? That means ur gross is around 60k. 3700 a month in your pocket ie 4k usd. When rents are around 2k a month let me guess you live in a 30 square meter hole or your room sharing your flat or your living in a gritty suburb or dad & mum have you covered . When any decent car would cost you 300 € a month, telco bundle 100 €, 100…

I live in 15th arrondissement, like 5 minutes from portes de versaille, 35 square meters, I pay 900€, not sharing a room. - I don't have a car, I use public transportation because you don't really need a car, ~90 Euros per month I can go as far as 40km outside paris, 50% of the public transportation is paid by the employer so it's 45€ per month - teleco bundle: 50€ (1Gbs up and down + 100Gb 5G) - energy spending: 35€/month - I eat basically 50% of the time outside, good food organic, burger, ramen etc ...

At the end of the month, I have 1k left.

You clearly don't know Paris, don't know France and don't know Europe :)

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