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Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by dijit »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #142
dijit wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is in 100% of the places I know about. I think making any broad EU statement even if it applies to many/most is fine. There will always be some outliers in the data. There is a similar argument about generalisations on behaviour, ie: statistically average behaviours of people. You have to be able to talk in broad strokes with the knowledge that it doesn't apply to everyone.

>It is in 100% of the places I know about. It's also in 100% of the countries I know about. What does that mean?

how many EU countries do you know about?

Would you like me to investigate the propensity of this EU wide, or are you being glib about knowing only a single country and that technically is 100% of your knowledge?

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by OscarDC »

walidthedream wrote: post #82
janmo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

60k EUR before taxes and healthcare + retirement deduction I suppose. So after taxes and mandatory deductions it is 45k USD, which not that much if you are in a city like Paris.

Privacyonsec let me laugh so you say you make 45k net in Paris and you live very comfortably ? That means ur gross is around 60k. 3700 a month in your pocket ie 4k usd. When rents are around 2k a month let me guess you live in a 30 square meter hole or your room sharing your flat or your living in a gritty suburb or dad & mum have you covered . When any decent car would cost you 300 € a month, telco bundle 100 €, 100…

Not him, but I was in the same situation (I'm still in France with roughly the same salary but not in Paris anymore).

> let me guess you live in a 30 square meter hole

Living in a 30 square meter apartment was pretty normal, yes. Don't feel obliged to call it "hole", it was pretty OK when you're alone.

My rent was never more than a third of what I earned net. So generally less than 1K.

> any decent car would cost you 300 € a month

In Paris you don't need a car and most people I know don't have one. I still don't have a driver's license and most people I know from my generation don't have one either. So that's not an expense.

> telco bundle 100 €

For the whole Internet + mobile, you shouldn't pay more than 30 euros per month in France (which I guess is still pretty high? I'll have to look).

> that makes already 3000 euros a month of spending

I was (and still am I would guess, though it's a long time since I've calculated this), spending less than 2000 euros per month. And I'm not limiting myself: I often go out in a restaurant, go to the cinema every week, don't look at prices when I'm doing grocerie etc.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by reisse »

fredrikholm wrote: post #148
INTPenis wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work at a company in Stockholm, but I live in Malmö. The developers I work with, who all live in other parts of the country and are all senior, probably make over 50k a month. I don't know their exact salaries obviously.

So, senior engineers who work in Sthlm make maybe more than the aforementioned 'low' salary. To add context, most juniors to mids make <50k in Malmö, which in annual USD would be closer to ~40k.

I think your conversion rate is wrong. 50k SEK monthly is 600k SEK annually, which is only 60k USD.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by fredrikholm »

reisse wrote: post #153
fredrikholm wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, senior engineers who work in Sthlm make maybe more than the aforementioned 'low' salary. To add context, most juniors to mids make <50k in Malmö, which in annual USD would be closer to ~40k.

I think your conversion rate is wrong. 50k SEK monthly is 600k SEK annually, which is only 60k USD.

Cheers, typo! (my previous post had an extra 0)

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by walidthedream »

rpigab wrote: post #134
walidthedream wrote: post #39

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If you get satisfied with a 60k gross salary as an engineer wherever you are in Europe you should maybe question yourself unless you’re full remote in a Bulgarian country side. Cars cost the same everywhere, same goes for flight tickets , electronics, top universities tuition, major food or fashion brands, etc etc.

I dunno, it's kinda nice to get an engineering Master of Science equivalent for 600€ per year in a good public school (private school doesn't mean better school), with heavily subsided rent if you need it, then go to work and have zero debt, get social security, have kids and childcare is also subsidized, and you can't get fired without a reason, and when you do get fired you get a portion of your salary for months,…

Wake up buddy. You have well learned the French socialist propaganda lesson. Unemployment in France since our 4 latest presidents have become aligned with California (around 180 days max). Ie capped in amount and limited in time. I don’t doubt many people around you have it worse.

Heavily subsidized rent ?? Where do you live in a social housing project ? What an ambition for an engineer graduate from a so called good public school ! What has this country become frankly to be happy with heavily subsidized rents ? I guess it comes half of the time with drug dealers in the entrance hall, or am I wrong and you have an included gym and swimming pool in the building ? In that case I understand why you have zero debt for sure you don’t own the place where you live because at 15k per sq meter in Paris you can’t own anything decent for 60k salary. Social security ? Let me laugh, unless if you compare it to UK’s NHS or 3rd world system, I hope you will never experience the French hospitals Emergencies admissions. Just compare it to Spain and you’ll see how miserable things have become. And I’m not talking about medications shortages, +6months wait time to see a specialist, generalists that refuse new patients, etc. Subsidized child care ? I guess you have no clue about what a proper child care system works, ask your colleagues from Northern Europe and they’ll tell you. I guess you didn’t check the news about what’s going on inside those public creches. It’s as good as what’s happening in French retirement homes. But you’re probably cool because you were told it was cool.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by usea »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #108
usea wrote: post #99

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> That's not at all what I talked about wondering about: You did talk about wondering about it: > I sometimes wonder how many American children get born while one of their parents is in service.

The part where I said I was unable to turn up stats was not the part you rebutted with stats. It's the part I quoted. It's a disingenuous argument to smear me like I am stupid and can't find birth stats when I didn't say that's what I looked for and failed to find.

> disingenuous argument to smear me like I am stupid

I don't know what this is about. My post has nothing like that.

The thing I disagree with is that you think being an American gives you the unique privilege to weigh in on the matters of America, and that people in other countries should just keep their nose out of it. And that not knowing one single detail about something fairly inconsequential disqualifies people from having an opinion.

Attack their argument. You don't get to disqualify them from having one because of where they live.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by lotsofpulp »

gambiting wrote: post #93
mattmanser wrote: post #67

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We're going through serious strikes at the moment. Right now, the junior doctors are striking. Not sure what you mean by general population, but we had major riots about 10 years ago where some police stations got attacked.

I mean, I have multiple examples of recent and semi-recent government policies that I'm certain would lead to Paris being on actual fire if they were proposed in France, but in the UK they are met with apathy at best. Strikes of rail workers and doctors are of course strikes, but they are mostly limited to just not working, and the impact is mostly pissing off the population rather than the government. It's out of th…

> Strikes of rail workers and doctors are of course strikes, but they are mostly limited to just not working,

Not working is the definition of a strike.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_action

> Strike action, also called labor strike, labour strike and industrial action in British English, or simply strike, is a work stoppage caused by the mass refusal of employees to work.

Rioting and damaging property is not part of a strike. That is somewhere on the road to a war, or some other word for conflict resolution resulting involving violence.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by benhurmarcel »

Raed667 wrote: post #78

Around 2020, I interviewed with them for a full-stack role in Montpellier France. They genuinely seemed perplexed when I laughed at their €38k offer, which translates to ~€2200/month after taxes. Full support to the strikers!

In France that’s a pretty normal salary for an engineering graduate with a Masters and no experience outside of internships.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by saiya-jin »

omnimus wrote: post #149
saiya-jin wrote: post #145

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No, you should be smart. Instead of taking whole country and its population (and everybody else anyhow connected to it) hostage, strike politicians you want to affect where its most inconvenient and 'hurtful' for them, strike the state that you want the change from. Don't go through making life miserable all the time for 65 millions of folks who didn't cause your woes in any way. I understand its far easier and 'chea…

Again solidarity… If the strikers were listened to by the politicians they need to target then there wouldnt be a strike in a first place. People dont strike for fun. They try a lot of things before striking. Including communication with HR, bosses, politicians. All of it is easier than orginising a strike. Instead you assume they didnt try other ways. They are “not smart”, they take others “as hostage” and their met…

You mean enforced solidarity without any chance to vote out of it, not very democratic if you ask me. More like gentle modern terrorism, we strike you where it annoys you the most to manipulate you to change your opinions en masse as we need.

Not actually what the word solidarity originally means.

Also, more broadly to the topic a lot of french strikes by state sector were purely money driven, asking each year for substantial raises on top of already-agreed rises even when economy wasn't performing well, asking for 12+ salaries when leaving, of course 10+ weeks of paid vacations, ridiculously high pensions at early age and similar stuff. I don't mean folks like police or firefighters but lifelong paper pushers. That wouldn't fare well in US, would it. As I said, on the ground in France most folks don't approve most of the strikes, but they don't have any choice or effective voice unlike very vocal minority who often has strikes as a (part time) job.

One example I saw unfolding closely even if not living there - during 'gillet jaune' there was a long period in neighboring region where cars would get sometimes attacked by throwing rocks on random roundabouts and places if not showing yellow vest for support behind windscreen or elsewhere visible. This included foreign cars in France. Instead of maybe half of cars driving around with it initially, eventually everybody got scared into driving/parking with it 100% of the time. This lasted few months. This was most publicly supported strike I recall from past few years. Like most of them it eventually leads to another round of bitter political arguments since these are always also political moves.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by walidthedream »

OscarDC wrote: post #152
walidthedream wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacyonsec let me laugh so you say you make 45k net in Paris and you live very comfortably ? That means ur gross is around 60k. 3700 a month in your pocket ie 4k usd. When rents are around 2k a month let me guess you live in a 30 square meter hole or your room sharing your flat or your living in a gritty suburb or dad & mum have you covered . When any decent car would cost you 300 € a month, telco bundle 100 €, 100…

Not him, but I was in the same situation (I'm still in France with roughly the same salary but not in Paris anymore). > let me guess you live in a 30 square meter hole Living in a 30 square meter apartment was pretty normal, yes. Don't feel obliged to call it "hole", it was pretty OK when you're alone. My rent was never more than a third of what I earned net. So generally less than 1K. > any decent car would cost you…

Yes by most normal countries (North and South America, Europe, Africa, Middle East ) and even broader French (outside of Paris) standards 30 meters square feet (320 sq feet) is called a tiny house, and is even illegal for families in some part of the world. The whole point is « if you’re alone »… is that a life frankly ? So you take a shitty salary because you’re alone or do you take money to progress in your personal life and build something like a family ? Oh yeah true you don’t need a car because life is so miserable driving and parking here, but public transportation is a total disaster when it comes to safety (ask pretty women how they feel there) , quality of service (summer transportation is a disaster, strikes and regular failures), cleanliness (piss, rats and bedbugs and vagabonds every where). And yeah the SNCF trains are also the preferred homeless shelter and very unreliable during every public vacation time. So you’re totally right, the car is something of the past… unless you live in a crappy suburb you can today totally forget about the less than 1000 rent.it is around 1500 minimum, and in this paradise that means earning 4500 minimum because waiting lines are in average 15 to 20 candidates per rentals . And you better be a white colored person with a European name and face. So with 3700 net salary you simply not qualify. You end up like most people looking for a partner officially and counting on your partner salary plus yours just to get a chance to live in that tiny flat. Telco is 50 euros min without Netflix and football and Disney or Spotify . If you have a family and need to dream because of the gritty environment you leave in , you can add 30 / 40 bucks and you end up with 70 to 100 bills depending on the number of persons in your household . And you didn’t pay yet the flat tv nor the smartphone. Believe people earning less than 4k net a month in the Paris region do look at the prices today.
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