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Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by yobbo »

adamlarsson78 wrote: post #107
olavgg wrote: post #79

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But if you build a successful startup, you have to give up your ownership as having wealth/assets gets heavily taxed. If your startup have a bad financial year, its really frustrating to be forced to take a 2% dividend of your networth, tax 40% of that amount as dividend tax and then pay the remaining 1.1% as wealth tax. That is why everyone with some wealth is now moving to Switzerland.

It may be frustrating, but that's the flipside of wealth inequality being much lower in Scandinavia and thereby society being more equal. Which makes it much more pleasant to live in, even for relatively rich people. (Disclosure: I'm one of those relatively rich people in Scandinavia and I pay lots of taxes but I also enjoy that wealth inequality isn't so extreme over here.)

You're thinking of income inequality.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by Raed667 »

dijit wrote: post #125
gambiting wrote: post #102

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I used to work at Ubisoft until recently and our recruitment was genuinely surprised why we can't find any candidates for senior C++ programmer roles offering the equivalent of about €50-60k/year.

Worked for Ubisoft in Sweden as a senior infrastructure engineer for an always online title. One of two people to make the entirety of online work- which, if it didnt meant nobody could play. They offered 29k SEK/mo- which isn't just below average salary for that position, it is below the average salary in the city. I negotiated for a better pay but it took 6 years to get back to my pre-join salary. I only took the j…

It is insane how much the gaming industry gets away with because "passion" ...

Just curious, Paradox (Stockholm) was not an option for you? From what I read they seem to pay better than 29k SEK.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by [deleted] »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #112
ponector wrote: post #88

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60k per year is around 3200€ per month after taxes. It could be comfortable upper class level life only if you own the place you live and have a small family without special needs. If you rent and have few children - you screwed.

> It could be comfortable upper class level life I think we might have a different understanding of what "upper class" means. Upper class is the likes of Trump/Bezos/Musk/. 3200 Euros/month will not let you live even remotely near that. It's a decent middle class and that's it.

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Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by rpigab »

walidthedream wrote: post #39
askonomm wrote: post #11

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Is 60k bad? Pretty sure it's the average salary in the entire Europe.

If you get satisfied with a 60k gross salary as an engineer wherever you are in Europe you should maybe question yourself unless you’re full remote in a Bulgarian country side. Cars cost the same everywhere, same goes for flight tickets , electronics, top universities tuition, major food or fashion brands, etc etc.

I dunno, it's kinda nice to get an engineering Master of Science equivalent for 600€ per year in a good public school (private school doesn't mean better school), with heavily subsided rent if you need it, then go to work and have zero debt, get social security, have kids and childcare is also subsidized, and you can't get fired without a reason, and when you do get fired you get a portion of your salary for months, which is so good that many people get fired on purpose.

I get way less than 60k gross in France, but apart from the house that I had to buy kinda small because it's close to a big city, it's nice. Many people around me have it worse, and I'm not sure if it would be a great idea to give everyone around the globe the purchasing power of an average American.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by manojlds »

romantomjak wrote: post #5

I'm consistently impressed by French solidarity to just go on a strike until they get their government (or a company in this case) to start treating them fairly. I wish that could work in the UK, but alas, we don't do that here.

Yeah we NEED more strikes in the UK

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by dang »

wazoox wrote: post #94
saiya-jin wrote: post #80

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Solidarity? You must live far from actual France and have some romantic young rosy view on events far away. Almost everybody who isn't protesting is pissed off at folks protesting, since they block you from doing basic things in life like going to work, shopping groceries, driving anywhere or flying, taking train, going to gas station, going to hospital (I kid you not, you can be unlucky and literally die to negligen…

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Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are.

It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by 0xFF0123 »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #108
usea wrote: post #99

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> That's not at all what I talked about wondering about: You did talk about wondering about it: > I sometimes wonder how many American children get born while one of their parents is in service.

The part where I said I was unable to turn up stats was not the part you rebutted with stats. It's the part I quoted. It's a disingenuous argument to smear me like I am stupid and can't find birth stats when I didn't say that's what I looked for and failed to find.

This is a surprisingly harsh take on what appears (from the caveats included) to be a well intentioned attempt to add some statistics to the conversation.

Re: Ubisoft Employees In France have gone on a Strike

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Post by VSerge »

shakow wrote: post #113
privacyonsec wrote: post #38

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I live a Paris, with 45k net, you live very comfortably and have an active social life.

As long as you don't have kids.

.. and don't ever want to buy a place in the city itself, since a square meter costs more than 10k€ in most of Paris.
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