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Quantifying the diva-ness of national anthem performances

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Re: Quantifying the diva-ness of national anthem performances

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Post by pests »

dylan604 wrote: post #59
GiorgioG wrote: post #54

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If it bothers you so much don’t go to these events.

Someone's not allowed to go to a sporting event because you say so? That's a load of crap. I'll go to whatever event I want. If they have one of these dear leader performances, I just stand there thinking about whatever is on my mind. If you like it, you can sing your little heart out. But I'm not going to not go to something I enjoy because you might get offended at my non-participation in your cult-like ritual

Then go and experience social pressure while being social? It's your choice.

Re: Quantifying the diva-ness of national anthem performances

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Post by efnx »

romafirst3 wrote: post #96
jvanderbot wrote: post #77

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I'll quote myself from another comment: > haven't sung a hymn, pledge or anthem since I was 11 or so. I just stand there and watch, be it church, baseball, hockey, whatever. 32 years and nothing bad has happened yet. (Hooray freedom?). I don't believe there is any pressure whatsoever. YMMV, but I do just stand up and not sing. It's not the end of the world. And some people always keep their hand down, instead of over…

Why even stand up?

I’m sure your question is rhetorical, but just in case - I think we all know it’s because they want to fit in, or at least… …not get called out for not participating.

Yes, it’s not mandatory and yes you _could_ sit down and not sing, but the consequences are that your fellow spectators will be agitated. They may not show it in any way, or… …they might!

Re: Quantifying the diva-ness of national anthem performances

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Post by archagon »

rayiner wrote: post #61
dctoedt wrote: post #53

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> Saying a short affirmation of loyalty to that entity once in a while seems pretty mild in comparison. Faux performative patriotism. You took the oath to support and defend the Constitution when you were admitted to the bar. That ought to be enough.

> Faux performative patriotism Shared rituals reinforce shared values.

Evidently not. Among all Americans, I have the least in common with those who are most passionate about these rituals.

Re: Quantifying the diva-ness of national anthem performances

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Post by boomboomsubban »

jvanderbot wrote: post #92
boomboomsubban wrote: post #83

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>I don't believe there is any pressure whatsoever. Then why do you stand? You can get away without singing, but there is an immense amount of pressure on you to "show respect."

I don't always stand. This is silly. I can't say you shouldn't feel your feelings and you can't say I should. Cheers!

It's pretty easy to prove there is pressure to stand, see Colin Kaepernick where not standing probably cost him his job.

Re: Quantifying the diva-ness of national anthem performances

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Post by gestalte6 »

dylan604 wrote: post #91
jvanderbot wrote: post #79

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> You've clearly not been to some of the events that I have. Ok, such as? > Non-pressure situations are out of scope. I am attempting to say this with respect, believe me: I am saying the pressure is not real. At least in my experience, it's not worth your time. I respect that you may have a different situation than I do, and you may experience pressure of this type differently than I do, but "pressure" strikes me as…

> I am saying the pressure is not real are you willing to take the Pepsi challenge? next event you go to that does the anthem ritual, i challenge you to not participate by sitting down. see what kind of not real pressure you feel then.

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Re: Quantifying the diva-ness of national anthem performances

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

porker wrote: post #100
rayiner wrote: post #44

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> Personally, I have always felt very strange in the entire concept of having to sing this at various events or in school as well as the pledging of allegiance. We live in a society. The government takes 40-50% of your income every year so you can support the other people who are part of the same society. It allows you to survive and protects you from those that would harm you both internal and external. Saying a sho…

> The government takes 40-50% of your income every year Wait, America now has European levels of taxation?

They were exaggerating. According to Wikipedia it's at about 27%.

Re: Quantifying the diva-ness of national anthem performances

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Post by dgfitz »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #85
dgfitz wrote: post #67

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It’s funny, you’d probably not be able to pop off like that if it weren’t for the dead at Ft. McHenry.

Where would we be without those brave dead who fought in a war we started and didn't win? I guess we wouldn't have Florida...

It must be exhausting to constantly filter the world through the lens of political beliefs.

Re: Quantifying the diva-ness of national anthem performances

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Post by boomboomsubban »

dgfitz wrote: post #107
boomboomsubban wrote: post #85

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Where would we be without those brave dead who fought in a war we started and didn't win? I guess we wouldn't have Florida...

It must be exhausting to constantly filter the world through the lens of political beliefs.

I could say the same to you, though I struggle to think why you think my political beliefs have warped my understanding of the War of 1812.

Re: Quantifying the diva-ness of national anthem performances

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Post by dylan604 »

romafirst3 wrote: post #99
dylan604 wrote: post #66

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and how many of the other ~200 countries is it common for their respective anthem to be sung with diva-ness? i'd suggest the fault is with the reader if you can't figure out something from context clues

Really?

Yup. Name one other country where the anthem is a show off for the performer rather than just the same thing every time

Re: Quantifying the diva-ness of national anthem performances

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Post by jvanderbot »

efnx wrote: post #102
romafirst3 wrote: post #96

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Why even stand up?

I’m sure your question is rhetorical, but just in case - I think we all know it’s because they want to fit in, or at least… …not get called out for not participating. Yes, it’s not mandatory and yes you _could_ sit down and not sing, but the consequences are that your fellow spectators will be agitated. They may not show it in any way, or… …they might!

So, on the larger context of the thread, we started by saying it's weird that we're required to say a pledge or sing a national hymn. I'm saying I haven't done that in 30 odd years and have not suffered any negative consequences, so perhaps the requirement was overstated.

The interpretation of my intended message has transformed a bit beyond the original scope to include never standing, not even feeling social pressure of any kind, and a comparison to Colin Capernick who attends sporting events in an entirely different capacity than I do. Those points just sound a lot like trying to win an argument on technicality vs have a discussion about experiences.

All I'm saying is you can feel all the pressure in the world to sing a hymn or say a pledge at events, compromise half way by standing, and not sing any national hymn or pledge and suffer no compromises. It is absolutely not required.

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