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Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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Im old enough to remember foil and paper wrappers. Im old enough to remember wax paper.

It all comes in plastic now.

Get a bag and put every piece of plastic for your week in it. Bottles, wrappers... bring it all home. The ammount of it is obscene.

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Or aluminum recycling, crazy efficient compared to making new aluminum.

I am not so sure about this. Do you have any sources? I think I read that it's difficult due to the abundance of very different aluminium alloys.

You can get paid for scrap of various kinds, and by the amount they're willing to pay, you can roughly see how much it is "worth it".

Ignoring gold, platinum, and silver, copper comes in quite high, followed by aluminum and then at the bottom is steel and iron.

Most places will pay you over the CRV for aluminum cans, and they will usually also pay for bulk aluminum, more than they'd pay for steel or cast iron.

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thinking about how this works, it just astounds me how clever and creative it is from the industry standpoint. capture a word, then redefine it to conform to an existing effort. Modern recycling transfers plastic waste away from capitalisms best consumers (the west) and burdens it upon its least visible (the third world.) Its like a black hole for all the immediate problems of the indelible hell you've created. in el…

Single use plastic bags were banned here. Two things happened as a result - the plastic thickness was increased so they can call them reusable instead of single use, and stores started charging for them. Instead of reducing plastic waste it had the opposite effect.

I think something like this is really on people. It isn't really hard to use your same bag hundreds of times. It also isn't hard to just not use a bag (I regularly just wheel items out to the car, put them in a box I have there, then take the box inside).

If individuals can't be bothered with simple things like this, is there really any hope that any law will help?

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#54
It's a favourite German pastime to drive to the Wertstoffhof (recycling centre) in your car to drop off the collected plastic for recycling. Now there are some bins where people can put some specific plastics like yoghurt cups (mostly cleaned by people, probably with a lot of hot water). Some are plastic foils with aluminium, styrofoam but most of it goes into the "mixed plastic" bins. There's all kind of stuff in it, some of it dirty. Who in their right mind would think that any of this mixed plastic stuff could be recycled?

Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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thinking about how this works, it just astounds me how clever and creative it is from the industry standpoint. capture a word, then redefine it to conform to an existing effort. Modern recycling transfers plastic waste away from capitalisms best consumers (the west) and burdens it upon its least visible (the third world.) Its like a black hole for all the immediate problems of the indelible hell you've created. in el…

Single use plastic bags were banned here. Two things happened as a result - the plastic thickness was increased so they can call them reusable instead of single use, and stores started charging for them. Instead of reducing plastic waste it had the opposite effect.

Of course it didn't have the opposite effect. It's now very much the norm (where I am) for people to bring these bags to the supermarket / grocery to pack their goods.

And to back up my claim: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/31/governme...

"Supermarket plastic bag charge has led to 98% drop in use in England, data shows"

Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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Or aluminum recycling, crazy efficient compared to making new aluminum.

I am not so sure about this. Do you have any sources? I think I read that it's difficult due to the abundance of very different aluminium alloys.

"Recycling aluminium consumes only 5% of the energy required for primary aluminium production, resulting in a 95% reduction in carbon emissions."

https://international-aluminium.org/new-iai-study-reveals-en...

Re: Plastic experts say recycling is a scam. Should we even do it anymore?

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I call it bullshit. PET used in plastic bottles can easily be depolymerized or even used as fuel. I live in a poor ex-USSR republic, and plastic recycling is a popular business; it were a scam no one would do that, as government neither mandate nor sponsor recycling.

Bottles are one thing..

I just ate a package of crackers. Plastic. I ordered a product from amazon, retail packed in plastic and cardboard. I got an amp, the box liner, plastic. The amazon box, had plastic bubbles in it.

I'm willing to bet most oof that ends up in a land fill and not recycled here in the states.

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Or glass, or paper, and almost all types of metal.

Unfortunately glass isn’t recycled here. I’ve been trying to figure out why. Probably more common in places that have glass production.

Glass is sand. Even for all the separating and such, most of it is "recycled" by using it for fill, because sand is plentiful.

The best thing for glass is reuse.

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Probably because its easy to do with a magnet so someone must be doing it already

Aluminum is not magnetic

Eddy Current Separators

https://www.recyclingtoday.com/article/magnetic-equipment-gu...

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